Rami vs P-10c vs sig 365XL

[alcante262]

I own both a CZ 75 B S/A,p-09 and am now looking at several guns.Can anyone give me a no BS recommendation on any of the 3 guns listed in the title.Ive only owned one SIG in my life a 220,I hate Glocks,and really like my CZ.This will be a CCW gun as well as range gun.I currently have a S&W Shield 45acp and a Ruger LW commander 45acp in the carry rotation.Thanks

[mecenas]

I have P365 (not XL), CZ P10S Optics Ready and CZ P10S regular. The last one is in Europe and is being used for shooting matches. My EDC is P365 with SAS slide and LIMA green laser, my range gun, practice gun and occasional carry gun is CZ P10S OR with Holosun 507 green dot. I used to own a RAMI BD with Cajun defensive package and reach reduction kit. Excellent weapon, but too heavy and thick for EDC,in my  opinion. Beside, RAMI on occasion would fail o extract and thus I could not really trust it sufficiently for daily carry. Sig P365 on the other hand was 100% reliable in about 1500 shots and so are both CZ 10S pistols.
Green dot Holosun unit is fantastic inn combo with CZ P10S. Absolutely perfect,  shooting always all in black at 25 yards standard pistol European target which is roughly the size of a US rifle 100 meter target.
My recommendation would be CZ P10S OR as an overall one gun for EDC and the range, if I was to have only one.

[Pcherry1973]

First gun was a 75b, so when I wanted to start carrying I got myself a RAMI. Trained with it and carried it for a little over a year before I decided to get a P-01. The P-01 is a better shooter, the dimensional difference between the two is negligible. I can get a full hand purchase on the grips, it conceals just as well and it's a better shooter for me. Kept the RAMI as a back up and still carry it occasionally, but my P-01 is my horse! I've since put the CGW pro-kit in it and now there is no comparison, although the RAMI could be better with a CGW package as well. P-01 is at primary machine getting milled for an optic right now and my RAMI is filling its spot, for now. P-01 has more robust aftermarket support and a rail. That's my $0.02. Hope it helps.

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[2morechains]

I own a P10C and 365XL.  No Rami, but I do have a 75 Shadow and Shadow 2. 

IMO, the P10C is an all around great gun.  Big enough to shoot well and small enough to carry.  Plus capacity is 15 rnds in stock configuration.  It was my carry gun for a while, and the spare mag I carried had a +5 extension.  It is still my bedside gun and the one I bring with me on extended trips. 

Last summer I got a 365XL.  Previously I played around with a  standard 365 and it didn’t impress me much.  However the 365XL is a completely different gun, or so it seemed like.  I can get a full grip, I can shoot it almost as well as I can a fullsize pistol, it carries great, and the capacity is 12+1 plus a 15 rnd spare mag.  The 365XL has since replaced the P10C as my EDC gun primarily because of it’s attributes (1” wide, light weight, decent capacity, and good ergonomics). 

I have carried my 75 Shadow, and by comparison the lighter weight P10C or 365XL is much preferable to carry all day than the all-steel CZ-75.  I lose a few rounds per mag, and the striker fired triggers are not as nice as the DA/SA Shadow, but the ease in carrying much outweigh the other concerns especially given the 365XL’s double digit capacity. 

[Earl Keese]

 I have a P10C and carry a Rami daily(owb). I put about 800 rounds through my brother's P365, it's a great little gun. My previous edc was a Shield 45(iwb).
 For me, the P10C is in a different size class and doesn't compare to the other two. It just satisfies a different requirement. I use mine for home defense and occasional competition (Carry Optic).
 For a small frame, the Rami is extremely comfortable for me to shoot, and very accurate. Its a little chunky for iwb carry, but owb in a leather holster it works very, very well. I traded into my Rami and TT Gunleather holster with the intention of selling it but I love it so. . .
 The P365 is king when it comes to concealability and capacity, with shootability lagging slightly behind. It's just too small. Strictly a one handed gun for me.
 That said, if I was buying today it would be a P365XL. It feels very similar to the Shield 45 which is just big enough for my hands but carrys great iwb. Add an mrds and I think the XL is a formidable package. I'm having a hard time choosing between milling the Rami for a dot, or buying a 365XL.

[macktheknife]

I was carrying a Rami OWB this past year, alternating with a 1911 commander. Rami is a great pistol accurate and reliable (mine is single action only, worked over by Cajun Gun Works). Got a P365, Rami is in mostly the safe. Sig is lighter and slimmer, not as easy to shoot well, takes some getting used to, but if I do my part it is very accurate. Carry with the 12 round mag, 15 in my pocket. Was going to try a P365xl but this corona thing happened.

[rjinaz85308]

I had a P10 and the Rami is a much nicer gun that feels better in the hand to me.

[lewmed]

 What the Sig has going for it is it's small light and high cap. What the Rami has is it's a CZ, smallish, high cap, all metal, DA/SA trigger, and it's a great shooter and very accurate. My p365 has been back to the factory twice for repairs and that fact keeps me from trusting it 100%. My Rami is well broken in and has a 7 1/4 lb. DA trigger and has never missed a lick I trust it to fire every time it's needed. As for the P-10c I have no need for one I have a P-07 with a better trigger and it's DA/SA.

[Oldbear]

I had a 365 that I traded for my Rami.   It shot pretty well for a small pistol, but mine had a very light (very nice) trigger.   I frankly just wasn’t comfortable carrying a striker gun with a trigger that light, went to the Rami and no regrets.  Feel much more comfortable with it carrying “decocked” (1/4 cock?).  I also have a Bond Bullpup (DAO) that is used for pocket carry when the Rami isn’t with me.   Both are accurate and dead solid reliable.

[Gunnerdad80]

I have a P365 and it’s been great so far. If CZ came out with a legit competitor to the P365 in size and capacity I’d buy one.

[Vinny]

I have a RAMI BD with RMR in OWB, and both a SIG P365 and P365XL.
Living in Florida where it's hot year round the most practical carry for me is P365 in a pocket holster. RAMI is too big for pocket carry IMO but it's really a sweet shooter especially with the RMR.

I got very early production P365 before they had sorted early issues, but after one trip back to SIG I've put >4,500 thru with no hiccups and every type of ammo. 

I was reluctant to pocket a striker (carried a SIG P290rs DAO) until I found good Kydex holsters from Vedder and Alabama with a thumb tab to help release from retention. Draws easily and conceals very well in cargo shorts top pocket with 12+1. I got the P365XL to mount a Romeo Zero, but the short slide/barrel also fits the XL frame. FrankenSig. 

[Gunnerdad80]

I have a RAMI BD with RMR in OWB, and both a SIG P365 and P365XL.
Living in Florida where it's hot year round the most practical carry for me is P365 in a pocket holster. RAMI is too big for pocket carry IMO but it's really a sweet shooter especially with the RMR.

I got very early production P365 before they had sorted early issues, but after one trip back to SIG I've put >4,500 thru with no hiccups and every type of ammo. 

I was reluctant to pocket a striker (carried a SIG P290rs DAO) until I found good Kydex holsters from Vedder and Alabama with a thumb tab to help release from retention. Draws easily and conceals very well in cargo shorts top pocket with 12+1. I got the P365XL to mount a Romeo Zero, but the short slide/barrel also fits the XL frame. FrankenSig. 

I have a Vedder pocket w/thumb release tab and an OWB holster for my P365 and they’re both great so far.

[Joe L]

I can only comment on the P-10C.  I got one of the early ones and really liked it except it was a little large for my carry gun, compared to my Kahr PM-40 hand canon.  The Kahr was really too small for me to handle well and no one in their right mind should ever buy a three inch 17 oz pistol in .40 S&W.  Not fun to shoot.  So I switched to the P-10C until the P-10S was available.  When I received my P-10S, it was perfect--grip just long enough to allow all my fingers on it, gun just light and narrow enough for carry.  And mine is a nail driver, much more shootable than I ever expected from a 3.5" 9mm pistol.  Here is a video at 200 yards with the P-10S with a red dot.  I had a good day, and the gun is ALWAYS good.  This is as good as I've done with a 4.5" barrel pistol, which was quite a pleasant surprise.  Full disclosure--I HAVE to use a red dot to do this with any pistol.  I haven't tried it with open sights.  With open sights the 4.5"-5" guns are easier.

https://youtu.be/-1o5bocyEV8

The P-10C is fine unless size is your main consideration, then give the P-10S a look.  I have long fingers and typically shoot the largest frame size I can buy in a full size pistol for a range gun but I have been very happy with the P-10S, bare handed, at least and don't shoot my P-10C much lately.  I tend to shoot the P-10F and P-10S when I get to go to the range, when I take the polymer guns.   

All three (plus the P-10S) are good pistols.  I place a high value on fit and ergonomics and have my preferences, so I would buy the one that fits my hands and size consideration the best.  Hopefully, that will be the P-10C or S!     If not, you won't be banned forever, however.   Maybe only a week or two. 

Joe

[Vinny]

I own both a CZ 75 B S/A,p-09 and am now looking at several guns.Can anyone give me a no BS recommendation on any of the 3 guns listed in the title.Ive only owned one SIG in my life a 220,I hate Glocks,and really like my CZ.This will be a CCW gun as well as range gun.I currently have a S&W Shield 45acp and a Ruger LW commander 45acp in the carry rotation.Thanks

alcante,
There's some good info and suggestions for you already in this thread. But I wonder if you could be more specific about your likes/dislikes with what you have and what you're really looking for. 
Your Ruger LW Commander has a manual safety. Does your Shield? Is that important to you for CCW ?
Joe L has shown some very impressive accuracy from his P-10s!
My little RAMI BD is surprisingly accurate with an RMR, but my 'ol eyes can't even see a bull's eye at 200 yards, never mind hit it.    Maybe in Joe's hands.....
But I don't believe P-10's are available with manual safety; while you can find a RAMI or P365XL with manual safety.

[Hammer Time]

I have a P365 and it's great for what it is - I've had no issues with mine at all, and it's eaten everything I've fed it. It shoots very well for how tiny it is, but at the end of the day, it is tiny, and of course there are both upsides and downside to that.

Since you're also considering options as big as a P10C, have you considered a PCR? It's actually just a bit smaller than the P10C, but larger than the RAMI, and it is a very sweet compact pistol. In fact, it's my favorite compact I've ever owned or shot.