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Offline timewaster1700

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Wolf .223 through Bren 2?
« on: April 16, 2020, 01:16:30 PM »
Anyone run wolf .223 steel case ammo through their Bren 2 much? Does it work well? I imagine its just dirtier but should in theory function almost as well. Is it harder on the gun? I never shoot steel ammo so I'm not well versed in this. Thanks

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Re: Wolf .223 through Bren 2?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2020, 01:45:07 PM »
I have shot steel cased ammo, including Wolf, through my BREN 2 with no issues.  It *might* cause increased wear on the extractor and barrel.

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Re: Wolf .223 through Bren 2?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2020, 12:58:39 AM »
I had a bad experience with Wolf/Barnaul with a .223 AK: at around 6-7000 rounds, my accuracy became erratic and group sizes increased dramatically. It jumped from 2 MOA with 75gr match ammo, to over 6 MOA when tested with the same lot ammo. I still haven't replaced that barrel because it's going to cost upwards of $500, plus the cost of a replacement barrel.

Looking at the "steel case" test Andrew Tuohy did for Lucky Gunner, it seems to match up. He was seeing accuracy suddenly fall off with all brands of Russian .223 in a few different barrel types around 6k rounds as well.

Comparing that with an old US Army machine gun barrel life study using 7.62x51, in which both copper and steel jacketed bullets were used in different combinations with cooler burning and hotter burning powders, they found that powders with higher flame temperatures shortened effective barrel life the most consistently. Using the cooler burning ball powder, steel jacketed bullets killed barrels due to exceeding the accuracy spec, while copper jacketed bullets failed the spec due to velocity loss, suggesting they were still acceptably accurate.

TLDR: I don't use Russian made .223 in anything with an expensive, rare, or hard to replace barrel. I believe it reduces accurate barrel life to anywhere from half to only one fifth of what it could have been if US spec ball ammo was used. I'm confident that US made 55gr and 62gr ammo should have the desired features. Other ammo, I just don't know.
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Offline double-d

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Re: Wolf .223 through Bren 2?
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2020, 08:58:27 AM »
Wolf Gold in .223 is GTG (if you can find it).  Brass case, non-magnetic bullet and a strong following at both AR15 and M4Carbine forums.
 Like others, I won't shoot steel cased ammo in my firearms..... ymmv

Can't help you with the Bren.

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Re: Wolf .223 through Bren 2?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2020, 05:03:34 PM »
I prefer to shoot copper jacketed bullets versus bimetal jacketed bullets through my rifles as well.  What I've found is that when it comes to steel cased copper jacketed 223Rem, the price difference between it and brass case copper jacketed 223Rem is minimal.  When you factor in the value of once fired 223Rem (or 5.56x45) cases, you actually come out ahead buying the brass cased ammo.  This does not hold true for 7.62x39.  Pre COVID-19, steel cased copper jacketed 7.62x39 could be had for about $30 more per case than steel cased bimetal jacketed 7.62x39.  The brass case copper jacket 7.62x39 was about $200 more per case.  Even considering the value of once fired 7.62x39, buying brass cased ammo doesn't come close to being worth it.  Another thing to consider about 7.62x39 firearms is that they were designed from the start for steel cases.