The general problem with CZ triggers - especially the Omega

[briang2ad]

I've finally, after 3-4 detailed polishings, attacking the rear slope of the TB hard, and 500 rounds have my P01 Omega trigger to 'good'.  Still bumpy off and on, but smooth enough, and thanks to CGW light enough to be good.  Not excellent.  SO I asked myself why CZ triggers have the problems they do in DA?  Some compare the Omega to the SIG.  In fact stacking is much more of a problem in the CZ...  What is the problem?

They PUSH.  The trigger bar pushes the hammer back.  Pulling makes it smoother in general.  Can you always find a great CZ and a BAD SIG?  Yup, but generally you find more stacking CZs, especially the Omega, because they push.  Why are Berettas smoother in general?  They pull the hammer.

Lots more bad things happen to the disconnector/hammer/trigger bar interfaces when something is off.

Case in point - grab a Beretta that is a bit gritty, and throw in an LTT TJIB - amazing.  It is possible for Earnest to perform this because it is a pull system.

Thats my thought for the day.

[jurek]

Interesting and great observation...

Thx God I'm on lucky site - my Omega is great. No complains at all after upgrading and smoothing the action according to this forum.
Generally I don't like DA, always trying to use safety, cocked & locked whenever possible... so DA pull doesn't really bother me.

[briang2ad]

SIG, HK, and Beretta all use a 'pull the hammer' system.  Its just easier to make smooth.  In DA its just simpler.

My Omega was horrible.  I should have sent it back to CZ.

[Tok36]

   I think that the Omega could benefit from an improved Trigger Bar design. The single sided TB in the Omega pistols is not as conducive to a smooth trigger pull as the Classic trigger systems two sided TB. When you pull a Omega trigger in DA you can watch the trigger bar suck up against the inside of the frame before it starts moving. There is additional slack in the system that i have not pined down yet.

   In a classic trigger system pistols, generally i have not found it hard to smooth out the DA with some polishing and a good deal of break in. They are not all the same though, they just seam to fall into a narrower range then the Omegas.

[Knight3124]

I must have got lucky. My P-01 Omega trigger is super smooth, no stacking, and doesn't feel like 11 pounds, though I don't have a pull gauge. I don't plan on modifying it at all.

[Jeep_Nut]

My P01 Omega trigger is great. Even better with the 3 spring kit from CGW. No other mods are planned. Well, maybe a short reset kit, but that’s it.


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[Hammer Time]

My only Omega is a P-07 OD that, after a good cleaning, some polishing, and replacing a few springs and the DA roller bushing, is plenty good enough for my expectations of a polymer duty pistol (and certainly better than most other polymer pistols I've shot). But I know they can vary out of the box, and the amount of 'love' they may need as a result can vary accordingly as well.

However, I can't say I have anything to complain about when it comes to the DA on my SP-01 and PCR. And I haven't taken either of them apart to do any polishing at all. I replaced a few springs on each of them, mostly just to lighten things up and that's it, other than shooting the heck out othem. They both have great, smooth DA triggers, and I'm comparing that to several classic Sigs I own, Berettas I've shot, etc. In general, I don't think it's quite as simple as just the "push vs pull" design being the source of the issue, at least not in my experience - it's the Omega design specifically that needs some tweaking.

[briang2ad]

I also have a p07 trigger that is near perfect.  A really beauty.   Took about 5 hours of work and several hundred rounds to overcome being pathetic.

Pick up 10 Beretta 92A3s and 10 CZ P guns - feel the OTB trigger.  The Berettas will be overall smoother and likely NO trace of stacking.  Its the TB pulling the hammer that does it.

Its a general trend I've found in DA/SA over the past decade or so.

[radagast]

Hi  folks !
   My original P07 one of those "nightmare triggers", and I came close to not accepting it from the FFL. I accepted it, figuring it was not for carry (not while in NJ anyway) and would suffice for HD.  After 500 rds. it loosened up, but needed a full polish job and another 500 rds. to become a satisfactory trigger. By the time it smoothed out, the Wife was real comfortable with it, and ordered one in ODG. Her P07 trigger felt wonderful and after break-in I'm tempted to call it superb !
   I'd gladly carry her pistol, but mine would get sent out before I'd consider it. It has been completely reliable though, with one malfunction that I am positive was an out of spec round.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Pick up 10 Beretta 92A3s and 10 CZ P guns - feel the OTB trigger.  The Berettas will be overall smoother and likely NO trace of stacking.  Its the TB pulling the hammer that does it.

If you mean the Beretta M9A3 yes those have a really nice otb trigger since they have some enhancements from the factory including all metal trigger parts and the "D" spring.They also sell in for nearly double what an average Beretta 92FS sells for. The 92FS trigger is not ALL that much better than anything else given the CHEAP plastic trigger they use and the heavy stock hammer spring. Mine had a hideously gritty trigger for the first 500 rounds but it required a metal parts kit which includes an all metal trigger,mag release, and safety levers plus the addition of the "D" spring to smooth it out. I own both model Beretta's and I've had 3 P-07's so been there done that. Given what it cost to make the P-07 triggers how I liked them in comparison to needed work on the 92FS it's a wash.

[em44052]

The best DA triggers out of the box for me was my Sig 229 Legion and Beretta 92 Elite LTT. Having said that, after installing the CGW kit in  my P-01, P-07, and Shadow 2 along with the ergonomics of the CZ, I prefer shooting my P-01 and S-2. The Beretta and Sig come in just behind my P-01 due to the SA and ergonomics of the pistol. My S-2 is my absolute favorite to shoot.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

The best DA triggers out of the box for me was my Sig 229 Legion and Beretta 92 Elite LTT. Having said that, after installing the CGW kit in  my P-01, P-07, and Shadow 2 along with the ergonomics of the CZ, I prefer shooting my P-01 and S-2. The Beretta and Sig come in just behind my P-01 due to the SA and ergonomics of the pistol. My S-2 is my absolute favorite to shoot.

This is the variation with factory guns in a nutshell. My P229 Legion doesn't have nearly as good a trigger as my 2 Sig M11A1's otb. I don't own an LTT but the examples I've handled are sweet. I'm seriously considering the Langdon trigger kit for my 92FS.
 I agree on ergos. Nothing else I own feels as good in the hand as my CZ's.

[em44052]

 I'm seriously considering the Langdon trigger kit for my 92FS.
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SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM, You will not regret it. Just watch those spring loaded detents when you take the decocker apart. I had one launch across the room... almost never found that sucker. I was installing the LTT enhanced trigger bar.

[briang2ad]

For context I shoot my CZ P guns the best of all, maybe my P226 is there also.  Some need little work, so this is not a completely universal observation, but I think sticks in the macro sense. 

The LTT TJIB smokes.  Nothing does all this on any other gun the same way.  Get you some...