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Offline 2morechains

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Romeo Zero first impressions
« on: June 14, 2020, 02:36:58 PM »
I’ve been waiting all winter and spring for either the Romeo Zero or the Holosun 407/507K series to become available.  I told myself that I would get whichever one became available first for my Sig 365XL, and in the last week or so the Romeo Zeros have finally hit the shelves.

Mounting the R0 on my XL was fairly straight forward.  The 365XL’s optic plate and rear sight are held on by two screws from the underside of the slide.  It was hard to determine if the screw heads were SAE or metric allen or torx, but after trying an assortment of bits I found a T18 torx head to be the best fit (the bleep things are pretty small and hard to see).  Other people have reported that it took a 5/64” and others said they used a 2mm allen key, making me wonder if Sig uses all of the above depending on who assembled the gun.  I did hit the screws with some heat with the tip of a soldering iron before attempting to remove the screws, and they came out no problem. 

The Romeo Zero comes with a plastic liner and two sets of screws, a M3 and M4.  The instructions did not say anything about the plastic liner, but based on the cut outs for the mounting screws it was pretty intuitive to apply it to the slide’s cut out.  The instructions did say to use the M3 for the 365XL, and the M4 was if you put it on another gun such as the Springfield Hellcat, using 9 inch/lbs of torque.  Two allen keys are included with the package, a 2mm for the mounting screws and a .050” for the windage/elevation adjustments.  The battery compartment is underneath the sight, requiring the sight to be removed for replacement, just like the RMR sights. 

Turning on the dot is through the small button right behind the screen.  The same button also adjusts the intensity.  It’s similar to the Leupold DPP, where the button increases or decreases the LED intensity, depending on which direction you’re going in.  Once you get to one extreme (high or low) it flashes, then starts going the other way.  There’s no auto-brightness, it’s all manual adjustment.  The emitter will auto shut off after a certain amount of time, but has shake-awake whenever you move it after being off. 

I put a couple hundred rounds through mine to check zero -which required only a slight adjustment for windage.  Elevation was spot on at 7, 10, 15 yds holding the upper A-zone on a USPSA target, and was minute of plate rack out to 22 yds.  I was going to shoot an IDPA match yesterday but got rained out. 

Pros:  I like how the Romeo Zero complements the compact nature of the 365XL, and obviously the sight was built to go on the 365XL.  I also like how small the bezel is, so despite the small window size the thickness of the window surround is pretty minimal and does not detract from shooting with both eyes open.  The window is clear (so far no scratches), and did not detract from shooting.  The dot is bright, clear, and no halo-ing for my eyes.  Extremely light weight. 

Cons:  My main beef with the Romeo Zero is the intensity button.  Not only is it hard to manipulate with average adult size digit, the way you adjust intensity is going to be its weak link for EDC when people go indoors and out, changing light condition, etc.  I realize there’s limitations to auto-brightness technology, but unlike my RMR where I can reach thru my shirt and hit the -ve button once or twice when I go indoors, and the +ve button when I go outside... with the Romeo Zero you have to remember which way you were going (up or down) to make incremental changes.  Right now I have the dot set on the 3rd or 4th setting, which is pretty bright indoors, and kind of dim outdoors, but may be the work-around until I figure out a better way.  At the range, its not a big deal to take the time to dial it in for the lighting condition. 

In summary, I’m fairly satisfied with the dot, barring my one gripe about adjusting intensity.  Needing to remove the sight to replace the battery is not a big deal to me, provided the battery lasts at least a year (which it is supposed to and more).  I change my batteries on my RMR equipped gun once a year, and will do the same with my Romeo Zero. 

What I like about it is the availability of a compact size red dot designed for compact guns, or those with narrow slides such as 1911’s, CZ-75’s etc, without needing an adapter plate. 

That said, when the Holsun 407/507K series become available I’ll probably get one of those to evaluate to see if it is a better option for a sub-compact gun. 

   


Offline Vinny

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Re: Romeo Zero first impressions
« Reply #1 on: August 29, 2020, 08:19:47 PM »
Older thread....but I finally got two Holosun 407K's from Midway after waiting almost 6 months for Optics Planet who kept pushing my orders out (I cancelled those).

So, I mounted one on my P365XL replacing the Romeo Zero that's been a placeholder. The Romeo Zero is OK, but the HS is soooo much better. I mounted the other one on my P365-X hybrid with milled short slide on an XL frame. I Love it!
*Glass reticle vs.plastic
*Thick aluminum body vs. plastic
*Battery Tray eliminates having to remove optic to change
*Superior 'click' 1 moa elev/windage adjustments vs. go by feel
*Nice easily accessed side-mount brightness adjustments.

That being said, Holosun just announced they're redesigning the placement of the brightness adjustments to respond to a design patent lawsuit from Trijicon; so there will be another 1-2 month availability delay until they make the changes.

I'm thankful I got mine before the spigot got shut again.

I believe this will be a good Red Dot for direct mount on the narrow CZ-75 slides, especially the Compacts. Stuart from CZ Custom has posted one he's done already in another thread.

Here's my P365-X 'hybrid' which fit my Vedder Light-Draw holster without alteration.
I had it milled between the stock sights which will serve as my BUIS.





 

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Re: Romeo Zero first impressions
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2020, 09:27:24 PM »
what is the width on the 407k? I'm trying to decide if I want to go full or k for a 507 on a P-07 Duty slide. I'm going to go with a green dot, so it will probably be a wait before 507k-GR become available.
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Re: Romeo Zero first impressions
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2020, 08:06:30 AM »
According to Holosun, the width of the 507k is .98".

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Re: Romeo Zero first impressions
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2020, 10:00:54 AM »
For reference....I took some quick measurements with my dial caliper comparing my Romeo Zero to HS 407K The good news is that this footprint (I believe originally from the Shield RMSc) seems to be evolving as the standard for micro red dots. The huge popularity of higher capacity micro pistols like the P365, G43X and 48, and Hellcat have created a big market for these. And I believe they'll be popular for direct milling on CZ compacts too!
The HS however uses NO rear bosses and the front bosses are very short. If your slide was milled for a Shield or Rzero it should fit the HS; and hopefully some other micro-dots if Trijicon, Leupold, or Vortex jump in the game. My P365 slide was milled by Fabricated Arms and they did a great job! They can also supply Cerakote finishes and a cover plate if desired.


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Re: Romeo Zero first impressions
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2020, 10:09:02 AM »
According to Holosun, the width of the 507k is .98".

thanks!

that is just a little narrower than a P-07 Duty slide, so it should make for a perfect fit.
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Re: Romeo Zero first impressions
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2020, 02:57:54 PM »
At the end of July the battery on my Romeo Zero ran out after about 7 weeks of use.  From what I’ve read, this is a fairly common occurrence with the battery supplied by Sig.  I bought a Duracell 1632 and waiting to see how long that lasts. 

As far as my gripe above about setting the intensity of the red dot, my work around has been to find a sweet spot setting that is daylight visible without being too bright indoors/low light.  At some point I’m going to give the HS 407K a try.