Bren 2 9" FTE/Stovepipe issues

[czfanatic_]

Hey guys,

Quick update on my situation.  Currently have a gun with a broken extractor, and CZ-USA is unable to guarantee me that they can replace the part, and have even accused me of making modifications to the gun that would have caused this to happen.  Not sure if they are reading these forums or what. 

I am not sending the gun back.  I am so mad at CZ-USA right now. 

I called my buddy who works for CZ UB and he is sending me an extractor with the factory folding stocks that should be arriving this week or next. 

At this rate, importing the part myself will solve the problem faster than CZ-USA will. 

I can't believe I have a personal connection that is more reliable than CZ-USA's entire warranty department. 

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I think the reason CZusa is not fixing these guns is because they have no parts. After 2 years of importing the Bren 2 to the US, this is simply inexcusable.

I was thinking about getting a Bren BR when they came out, but, nah.

My next rifle is going to be a Robinson Armaments xcr -- they actually have spare parts for their rifles and they don't cost all that much more than a Bren, with multiple calibers and configurations.

CZ USA has really dropped the ball here.

What I wanna know is why am I able to order parts from Europe with zero issues, but CZ-USA can't do the same?  It isn't like CZ UB doesn't have them to supply CZ-USA. 

It baffles me that they do not have (or are apparently unwilling to get) parts for these guns.  It is like importing a car and selling it without having brake pads or clutches available. 

CZ-USA is laughably incompetent.  I'll likely be selling my 7.62x39 Bren 2, keeping my 5.56, and then going and buying a PWS 7.62x39 upper or something.  At least those guns work and have parts support. 



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[dkozy]

Hey guys,

Quick update on my situation.  Currently have a gun with a broken extractor, and CZ-USA is unable to guarantee me that they can replace the part, and have even accused me of making modifications to the gun that would have caused this to happen.  Not sure if they are reading these forums or what. 

I am not sending the gun back.  I am so mad at CZ-USA right now. 

I called my buddy who works for CZ UB and he is sending me an extractor with the factory folding stocks that should be arriving this week or next. 

At this rate, importing the part myself will solve the problem faster than CZ-USA will. 

I can't believe I have a personal connection that is more reliable than CZ-USA's entire warranty department. 

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Is there a way for anyone that doesn't have your contact to get spare parts? Whats the issue with just ordering parts from overseas in the first place?

[alp3367]

I wish I could share more info about the guy I go through but it becomes really complicated, and I don't want him or his shop to get in trouble with CZ. 

 I'd be more concerned about getting involved with Czech or U.S. customs than CZ. I know on the U.S. end it would be a form 6 application, I have no idea about the Czech end of it.

[MeatAxe]

I wish I could share more info about the guy I go through but it becomes really complicated, and I don't want him or his shop to get in trouble with CZ. 

 I'd be more concerned about getting involved with Czech or U.S. customs than CZ. I know on the U.S. end it would be a form 6 application, I have no idea about the Czech end of it.

I think you're OK as long as the parts cost $100 or less.

There are several Czech vendors that ship Vz58 parts to the US, maybe they're getting into the Bren 2 parts export business as well.

[dkozy]

Hey guys,

Quick update on my situation.  Currently have a gun with a broken extractor, and CZ-USA is unable to guarantee me that they can replace the part, and have even accused me of making modifications to the gun that would have caused this to happen.  Not sure if they are reading these forums or what. 

I am not sending the gun back.  I am so mad at CZ-USA right now. 

I called my buddy who works for CZ UB and he is sending me an extractor with the factory folding stocks that should be arriving this week or next. 

At this rate, importing the part myself will solve the problem faster than CZ-USA will. 

I can't believe I have a personal connection that is more reliable than CZ-USA's entire warranty department. 

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Is there a way for anyone that doesn't have your contact to get spare parts? Whats the issue with just ordering parts from overseas in the first place?

CZ UB won't ship to the US, period.  Anything from them has to come in through CZ-USA. 

I wish I could share more info about the guy I go through but it becomes really complicated, and I don't want him or his shop to get in trouble with CZ. 

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Thats fair enough. Thank you for letting me know! Surprisingly I thought I was getting into a really good platform but its kind of scaring me at this point. I dont like rifles I feel like I cant shoot. Here I was concerned about not being able to get a barrel for this thing when its time to change one out but instead this thing may be a 5000rd and move to the next platform sorta gun. Not very confidence inspiring. I read on here in another thread I think and someone tried getting some parts for an 805 and they said kick rocks. That rifle isn't that old and they're gonna just stop making parts for it? thats wild to me. The AR world has spoiled me in that when something wears out its not HOW am i gonna get parts it more of what brand is best because of all the options.

[czkyle1776]

Thats fair enough. Thank you for letting me know! Surprisingly I thought I was getting into a really good platform but its kind of scaring me at this point. I dont like rifles I feel like I cant shoot. Here I was concerned about not being able to get a barrel for this thing when its time to change one out but instead this thing may be a 5000rd and move to the next platform sorta gun. Not very confidence inspiring. I read on here in another thread I think and someone tried getting some parts for an 805 and they said kick rocks. That rifle isn't that old and they're gonna just stop making parts for it? thats wild to me. The AR world has spoiled me in that when something wears out its not HOW am i gonna get parts it more of what brand is best because of all the options.

That was me with the 805 parts. Worse thing is, the parts were un-finished and in bad shape. They offered to refund me, but I decided to keep them because there is no other option. So, no parts for the 805. Now, no parts for the Bren 2... It's seems the VZ58 is the only CZ rifle you can get parts for... it's really disheartening. I want CZ to succeed so badly....but this isn't how you do it....

[dkozy]

Hey guys,

Quick update on my situation.  Currently have a gun with a broken extractor, and CZ-USA is unable to guarantee me that they can replace the part, and have even accused me of making modifications to the gun that would have caused this to happen.  Not sure if they are reading these forums or what. 

I am not sending the gun back.  I am so mad at CZ-USA right now. 

I called my buddy who works for CZ UB and he is sending me an extractor with the factory folding stocks that should be arriving this week or next. 

At this rate, importing the part myself will solve the problem faster than CZ-USA will. 

I can't believe I have a personal connection that is more reliable than CZ-USA's entire warranty department. 

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Is there a way for anyone that doesn't have your contact to get spare parts? Whats the issue with just ordering parts from overseas in the first place?

CZ UB won't ship to the US, period.  Anything from them has to come in through CZ-USA. 

I wish I could share more info about the guy I go through but it becomes really complicated, and I don't want him or his shop to get in trouble with CZ. 

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Thats fair enough. Thank you for letting me know! Surprisingly I thought I was getting into a really good platform but its kind of scaring me at this point. I dont like rifles I feel like I cant shoot. Here I was concerned about not being able to get a barrel for this thing when its time to change one out but instead this thing may be a 5000rd and move to the next platform sorta gun. Not very confidence inspiring. I read on here in another thread I think and someone tried getting some parts for an 805 and they said kick rocks. That rifle isn't that old and they're gonna just stop making parts for it? thats wild to me. The AR world has spoiled me in that when something wears out its not HOW am i gonna get parts it more of what brand is best because of all the options.

I am going to try to get a list of prices for various Bren 2 parts.  Extractors are $40 USD, I know because I just bought one. 

Considering getting an EU gas regulator too and seeing if they are any different. 

As for barrels, I'll ask, I'm pretty sure he will be able to get them but I wonder how much $$$ they are. 

Plus, who knows if the EU barrels are the same.  Ugh.  What a mess. 

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Right? This is just crazy to me. WHY are parts clearly, LITERALLY available, but CZ USA wont stock them. Does anybody know the actual number of Bren 2s/MS in the US? I mean are these things that rare that they dont find the need at all for parts? I mean aren't these issued to a military over there?? How is it not the easiest thing in the world to provide a few parts for these?   

[dkozy]

That was me with the 805 parts. Worse thing is, the parts were un-finished and in bad shape. They offered to refund me, but I decided to keep them because there is no other option. So, no parts for the 805. Now, no parts for the Bren 2... It's seems the VZ58 is the only CZ rifle you can get parts for... it's really disheartening. I want CZ to succeed so badly....but this isn't how you do it....
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I really do not understand how this is a thing? No offense to anyone but is the SCAR part ordeal any better haha?

[czfanatic_]

That was me with the 805 parts. Worse thing is, the parts were un-finished and in bad shape. They offered to refund me, but I decided to keep them because there is no other option. So, no parts for the 805. Now, no parts for the Bren 2... It's seems the VZ58 is the only CZ rifle you can get parts for... it's really disheartening. I want CZ to succeed so badly....but this isn't how you do it....

I really do not understand how this is a thing? No offense to anyone but is the SCAR part ordeal any better haha?
[/quote]You'll face the same problem trying to get a barrel for a SCAR. 

CZ-USA stocks extractors for Scorpions, TSO's, lots of guns.  I don't know why they are so bad about having parts in the country for the Bren guns.

It really pisses me off that I am able to do more ON MY OWN, than the company that actually imported the firearm to this country is willing to do.  Blows my mind. 

I feel bad for people who are being unwillingly tied to CZ-USA and don't have any contacts over in Europe to help them out. 

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[Magsz]

Guys,

Lets extinguish the torches and put away the pitch forks for a few minutes.

CZ is probably taxed completely to its limit.  They're trying to fulfill international military orders, secure new contracts and continue making money.

Their production capacity is probably not ready for US demand.  Or, they have cordoned off 80% of their production capacity for Bren 2 military contracts and they never anticipated how popular this weapon would be in the US.

All of this is pure speculation but we need to give them time.  How much time?  I dont know.

As someone else mentioned, the situation is dire when it comes to Scar parts.  That darned gun has been around on the commercial market for what, twelve years now?  Longer?

I fully support anyone who doesn't want to put up with this.  AR15's have spoiled me as for the most part, everything that I need and want is available and tons of product is being made on a daily basis.

While that IS the case for the Bren, the civilian component of the equation is not what we want but its probably what CZ needs to be doing to produce the profits that they desire.

[czfanatic_]

Guys,

Lets extinguish the torches and put away the pitch forks for a few minutes.

CZ is probably taxed completely to its limit.  They're trying to fulfill international military orders, secure new contracts and continue making money.

Their production capacity is probably not ready for US demand.  Or, they have cordoned off 80% of their production capacity for Bren 2 military contracts and they never anticipated how popular this weapon would be in the US.

All of this is pure speculation but we need to give them time.  How much time?  I dont know.

As someone else mentioned, the situation is dire when it comes to Scar parts.  That darned gun has been around on the commercial market for what, twelve years now?  Longer?

I fully support anyone who doesn't want to put up with this.  AR15's have spoiled me as for the most part, everything that I need and want is available and tons of product is being made on a daily basis.

While that IS the case for the Bren, the civilian component of the equation is not what we want but its probably what CZ needs to be doing to produce the profits that they desire.

Good points. 

Sorry, I'm pretty heated with them at the moment, but you're absolutely right. 

Hopefully they get their act together soon, I am pulling for them to succeed. 

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[dkozy]

Guys,

Lets extinguish the torches and put away the pitch forks for a few minutes.

CZ is probably taxed completely to its limit.  They're trying to fulfill international military orders, secure new contracts and continue making money.

Their production capacity is probably not ready for US demand.  Or, they have cordoned off 80% of their production capacity for Bren 2 military contracts and they never anticipated how popular this weapon would be in the US.

All of this is pure speculation but we need to give them time.  How much time?  I dont know.

As someone else mentioned, the situation is dire when it comes to Scar parts.  That darned gun has been around on the commercial market for what, twelve years now?  Longer?

I fully support anyone who doesn't want to put up with this.  AR15's have spoiled me as for the most part, everything that I need and want is available and tons of product is being made on a daily basis.

While that IS the case for the Bren, the civilian component of the equation is not what we want but its probably what CZ needs to be doing to produce the profits that they desire.

I can agree with that. Just shocked after just a couple years they stop producing parts for the 805. What are those people supposed to do just throw the thing away when an ejector wears out? thats just crazy to me. Hopefully with this rifle being a pretty big military contract they'll keep making parts for a good long time because military's dont change rifles all that often.

[Aries144]

I don't know about the 805 parts. Who else beside the Czech military had a contract for those? Czech Army is completely abandoning it for the Bren 2...

[dkozy]

So they dumped the 805 for the Bren 2 in just a few years? Thats wild. Back to issues though. Do many people have issues with the 11" and 14" models in 7.62? Far as i've read people with the 5.56 model really dont have any of these issues.

[Aries144]

I think I saw a post over at arfcom about a 5.56 with issues. I've definitely seen reports of issues with all barrel lengths in 7.62x39.