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Offline Sheepdoggit

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Why are the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« on: July 26, 2020, 03:52:11 PM »
I've been researching CZ pistols and I noticed that the P-07 and P-09 are almost as heavy as some all metal pistols and was wondering where the majority of that weight is located compared to a Glock, for example. The extra weight in no way is a deal breaker, I actually prefer it, but I am just curious where it comes from. Are the barrels heavier, for example?
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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2020, 04:23:39 PM »
Both my 07 and 09 are lighter than than my SP01. Fully loaded they are heavy. Twenty rounds onboard will do that...


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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2020, 04:32:35 PM »
There isn't a significant weight difference between a polymer frame and an aluminum alloy frame, so a P-07 and a P-01 are very similar in weight.
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Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2020, 04:33:04 PM »
Could be the density of the slide or frame as compared to Glock.

A P07 is a little less than 4 ounces heavier than a Glock 19. The polymer on a P07 feels like it could be more dense. In the P07 there’s the main spring in the grip the take down lever, hammer, decocker/safety lever. Seems like it’s more parts in a P07 along with other factors that make it heavier than a Glock.

In my opinion the feel of a P07 grip is so superior to a Glock the weight doesn’t matter.


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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2020, 04:46:18 PM »
There isn't a significant weight difference between a polymer frame and an aluminum alloy frame, so a P-07 and a P-01 are very similar in weight.
Ok didn’t know it was aluminum alloy. I just buy my guns to shoot them.

I’ll see how they compare to my 1911 for funsies.


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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2020, 04:49:10 PM »
Thank you!

Offline Hammer Time

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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2020, 05:03:19 PM »
My P-07 feels quite light, after I've been carrying and shooting my P229 for a while.

But my PCR is just a tad lighter than the P-07 and gets carried the most.

Either way, I attribute the few extra ounces of the P-07 over the Glock to the extra awesomeness.  ;)

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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2020, 07:58:59 PM »
My P-07 feels heavy because there are 15+1 147gr Federal HST's in it.  Unloaded it doesn't feel too heavy to me.  I recently picked up a titanium alloy guide rod off of eBay, which while heavier than a stock polymer guide rod, is significantly lighter than the stainless steel one I had been carrying in it.  I've thought about carrying lighter bullets to knock some ounces off of the loaded weight of the gun, but haven't convinced myself it's a good idea yet.

Why is it heavier than a Glock 19?  More steel parts inside.  See all above answers... mainspring, hammer, hammer strut, etc. plus I think the slide is a little beefier.

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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2020, 08:49:12 PM »
unloaded weight according to the chart in the 2020 CZ-USA catalog:

Steel Frame 75B compact - 32.8 oz
PCR (aluminum frame) - 27.5 oz
P-01 (aluminum frame) - 28.1 oz
P-07 (polymer frame) - 27.7 oz

P-10c - 26.3 oz
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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2020, 08:56:53 AM »
I don’t really know but in my hands my P09 feels like it has felt recoil than my all steel SP01. 

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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2020, 11:27:18 AM »
I would agree with others and say more parts adds a little weight. It really does not bother me. My P07 carries just fine and my P09 shoots amazing. I agree that all three of my P09s have less felt recoil than my SP-01 Tac and 75B Omega.

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Re: Why are the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2020, 12:55:39 AM »
There isn't a significant weight difference between a polymer frame and an aluminum alloy frame, so a P-07 and a P-01 are very similar in weight.

Just found out my SP01 is a steel frame model which explains why my poly P-guns feel lighter!


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Re: Why is the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2020, 04:21:45 AM »
My P-07 feels heavy because there are 15+1 147gr Federal HST's in it.  Unloaded it doesn't feel too heavy to me.  I recently picked up a titanium alloy guide rod off of eBay, which while heavier than a stock polymer guide rod, is significantly lighter than the stainless steel one I had been carrying in it.  I've thought about carrying lighter bullets to knock some ounces off of the loaded weight of the gun, but haven't convinced myself it's a good idea yet.

Why is it heavier than a Glock 19?  More steel parts inside.  See all above answers... mainspring, hammer, hammer strut, etc. plus I think the slide is a little beefier.

CCWLearner, do you know if the titanium guide rods are still available?

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Re: Why are the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2020, 11:45:18 AM »
CCWLearner, do you know if the titanium guide rods are still available?

Yes, they are available on eBay and Gunbroker, I think sold by the same people out of Allen, TX.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Guide-Rod-for-CZ-P-07-P-10-C/174215621084?hash=item28900f69dc:g:CdIAAOSwY~peZyq8

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/882813560


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Re: Why are the P-07 and P-09 as heavy as they are?
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2020, 02:40:24 PM »
CCWLearner, do you know if the titanium guide rods are still available?

Yes, they are available on eBay and Gunbroker, I think sold by the same people out of Allen, TX.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Titanium-Guide-Rod-for-CZ-P-07-P-10-C/174215621084?hash=item28900f69dc:g:CdIAAOSwY~peZyq8

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/882813560

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