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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #30 on: October 09, 2020, 02:32:03 PM »
I have about 4000rds fired through this gun, and I have never removed the extractor.  It holds an unfired round very firmly, and vigorous shaking  with not dislodge it.  Will an extra power extractor spring make this C100 run anything at 100%, or will it cause other problems? Here's a cut and paste from CZ Custom about using an extra power extractor spring:  Extra power extractor springs are available for the CZ-75/85 series pistols - all calibers. 25% stronger than factory springs. We have never found it necessary to use these in 9mm pistols and often result in feeding malfunctions.

Over the years, I've replaced the Extractor Springs on around eight Cz and Tanfoglio Based Cz Clones without issue, but I've NEVER used Extractor Springs from the Cz Custom Shop.
I've only used the Wolff Extra Power Extractor Springs, and these have been available for quite some time.
Again, I've had to trim them to fit and I recommend allowing only two coils past the length of your original Spring for length.
Typically, I've only ever had to trim off one coil.  The Wolff Extractor Springs come a bit oversized to fit both Cz97B and the other Cz Pistols.

Side Note:  Also, consider honing out the Extractor Pivot/Retention Pin hole, just an eeensy little bit, while you have it apart.
« Last Edit: October 09, 2020, 02:42:03 PM by jwc007 »
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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #31 on: October 09, 2020, 03:04:47 PM »
I have about 4000rds fired through this gun, and I have never removed the extractor.  It holds an unfired round very firmly, and vigorous shaking  with not dislodge it.  Will an extra power extractor spring make this C100 run anything at 100%, or will it cause other problems? Here's a cut and paste from CZ Custom about using an extra power extractor spring:  Extra power extractor springs are available for the CZ-75/85 series pistols - all calibers. 25% stronger than factory springs. We have never found it necessary to use these in 9mm pistols and often result in feeding malfunctions.

Over the years, I've replaced the Extractor Springs on around eight Cz and Tanfoglio Based Cz Clones without issue, but I've NEVER used Extractor Springs from the Cz Custom Shop.
I've only used the Wolff Extra Power Extractor Springs, and these have been available for quite some time.
Again, I've had to trim them to fit and I recommend allowing only two coils past the length of your original Spring for length.
Typically, I've only ever had to trim off one coil.  The Wolff Extractor Springs come a bit oversized to fit both Cz97B and the other Cz Pistols.

Side Note:  Also, consider honing out the Extractor Pivot/Retention Pin hole, just an eeensy little bit, while you have it apart.

Thanks again.  I'm finding conflicting posts on how to remove the extractor pin.  Most of the CZ posts said to remove from top to bottom of slide, but several posts from known contributors said to remove from bottom to top.  I did find one post for a Tristar S120, and he was told to try it from the bottom up.  There was no followup on that post. The pin is not staked. I'm still searching for the correct answer.
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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #32 on: October 09, 2020, 03:25:20 PM »
I have about 4000rds fired through this gun, and I have never removed the extractor.  It holds an unfired round very firmly, and vigorous shaking  with not dislodge it.  Will an extra power extractor spring make this C100 run anything at 100%, or will it cause other problems? Here's a cut and paste from CZ Custom about using an extra power extractor spring:  Extra power extractor springs are available for the CZ-75/85 series pistols - all calibers. 25% stronger than factory springs. We have never found it necessary to use these in 9mm pistols and often result in feeding malfunctions.

Over the years, I've replaced the Extractor Springs on around eight Cz and Tanfoglio Based Cz Clones without issue, but I've NEVER used Extractor Springs from the Cz Custom Shop.
I've only used the Wolff Extra Power Extractor Springs, and these have been available for quite some time.
Again, I've had to trim them to fit and I recommend allowing only two coils past the length of your original Spring for length.
Typically, I've only ever had to trim off one coil.  The Wolff Extractor Springs come a bit oversized to fit both Cz97B and the other Cz Pistols.

Side Note:  Also, consider honing out the Extractor Pivot/Retention Pin hole, just an eeensy little bit, while you have it apart.

Thanks again.  I'm finding conflicting posts on how to remove the extractor pin.  Most of the CZ posts said to remove from top to bottom of slide, but several posts from known contributors said to remove from bottom to top.  I did find one post for a Tristar S120, and he was told to try it from the bottom up.  There was no followup on that post. The pin is not staked. I'm still searching for the correct answer.

If its a roll pin direction.doesn't matter.

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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #33 on: October 09, 2020, 03:26:44 PM »
It's a solid pin.

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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #34 on: October 09, 2020, 03:37:01 PM »
I just found a good video that starts out showing how to remove and reinstall the extractor on a Tristar. Remove from top to bottom, hole is tapered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33Otb_rQps8
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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #35 on: October 09, 2020, 07:27:34 PM »
I placed a few spent casings under the current extractor claw, and it took quite of bit of pull with needle nose pliers to dislodge. I never have the easy solutions, oh well. 

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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #36 on: October 09, 2020, 07:44:42 PM »
I placed a few spent casings under the current extractor claw, and it took quite of bit of pull with needle nose pliers to dislodge. I never have the easy solutions, oh well.

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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #37 on: October 09, 2020, 11:31:32 PM »
RMACH - Just curious, do you happen to have the nomenclature off the end of your box of Speer ammo? I discovered a 50 round box of Speer 9mm which I had set aside in an ammo box years ago for personal defense vs. range ammo & couldn’t help wonder if it’s the same as yours? My box says: 

Speer LE Gold Dot Duty Ammunition, 9mm LUGER 124 GR. GDHP. Below that is a stock number 53618.

There is not a +P indicator on either the box or cartridges.
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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2020, 10:19:54 AM »
RMACH - Just curious, do you happen to have the nomenclature off the end of your box of Speer ammo? I discovered a 50 round box of Speer 9mm which I had set aside in an ammo box years ago for personal defense vs. range ammo & couldn’t help wonder if it’s the same as yours? My box says: 

Super LE Gold Dot Duty Ammunition, 9mm LUGER 124 GR. GDHP. Below that is a stock number 53618.

There is not a +P indicator on either the box or cartridges.

Mine is the Speer Lawman, round nose, 124gr target ammo that sold for $10 a box last year.

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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2020, 10:33:31 AM »
The new Wolff spring will arrive next Wednesday. I'm going to remove the extractor, examine it closely and clean the channel. I'll decide then if I'm going to cut and install the Wolff spring.

This last range visit had the new recoil spring installed, and I have a hunch, if the old recoil spring was still installed, I wouldn't of had that one failure with the Blazer Brass. The reason I say that is because the very last round of Blazer only ejected about 7 inches, last round in the mag.  All the S&B flew several feet.   Then there's the test I did with the needle nose pliers that took a few pounds of pulling pressure on a spent casing to dislodge it from the extractor.  It still almost adds up to be an ammo issue with the Speer Lawman.
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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2020, 05:00:37 PM »
I have about 4000rds fired through this gun, and I have never removed the extractor.  It holds an unfired round very firmly, and vigorous shaking  with not dislodge it.  Will an extra power extractor spring make this C100 run anything at 100%, or will it cause other problems? Here's a cut and paste from CZ Custom about using an extra power extractor spring:  Extra power extractor springs are available for the CZ-75/85 series pistols - all calibers. 25% stronger than factory springs. We have never found it necessary to use these in 9mm pistols and often result in feeding malfunctions.

Over the years, I've replaced the Extractor Springs on around eight Cz and Tanfoglio Based Cz Clones without issue, but I've NEVER used Extractor Springs from the Cz Custom Shop.
I've only used the Wolff Extra Power Extractor Springs, and these have been available for quite some time.
Again, I've had to trim them to fit and I recommend allowing only two coils past the length of your original Spring for length.
Typically, I've only ever had to trim off one coil.  The Wolff Extractor Springs come a bit oversized to fit both Cz97B and the other Cz Pistols.

Side Note:  Also, consider honing out the Extractor Pivot/Retention Pin hole, just an eeensy little bit, while you have it apart.

I'm preparing for next week, so I'm asking why would I leave the new spring two coils longer than the old spring?  Maybe I got this wrong, but I thought shortening a spring like this does not reduce it's rating. If that's correct, wouldn't I want to cut the spring to the same length or just a hair longer than the original?

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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2020, 07:32:55 PM »
I'm preparing for next week, so I'm asking why would I leave the new spring two coils longer than the old spring?  Maybe I got this wrong, but I thought shortening a spring like this does not reduce it's rating. If that's correct, wouldn't I want to cut the spring to the same length or just a hair longer than the original?

Shortening a Spring does reduce it's rating a bit, or so I've been told, and fitting can be trial and error.  I'm only telling you what has worked for me and the Pistols I have worked on.
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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2020, 10:36:16 AM »
I'm preparing for next week, so I'm asking why would I leave the new spring two coils longer than the old spring?  Maybe I got this wrong, but I thought shortening a spring like this does not reduce it's rating. If that's correct, wouldn't I want to cut the spring to the same length or just a hair longer than the original?

Shortening a Spring does reduce it's rating a bit, or so I've been told, and fitting can be trial and error.  I'm only telling you what has worked for me and the Pistols I have worked on.

good advice, if you tell someone what has worked for you, that's all that really can be expected. you aren't saying it will work for anyone else but when someone really has no idea what to do next it is a great place to start. Just my opinion off course.

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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #43 on: October 13, 2020, 08:11:36 PM »
I just received the Wolff extra power extractor spring.  The factory extractor looks fine and the channel was not terribly dirty.  I added pics of the extractor and both springs, Wolff on the left in each pic.

So how much of the Wolff spring should I remove based on the pics?










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Re: I have a head scratcher with my Canik C-100.
« Reply #44 on: October 13, 2020, 08:34:54 PM »
Nevermind, the Wolff spring diameter is too large to fit in the Canik slide hole.  I guess I have a extra spare extractor spring now for my other CZs. 
« Last Edit: October 14, 2020, 01:14:09 PM by Rmach »