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Offline newageroman

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mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« on: October 08, 2020, 11:30:22 AM »
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97B Safety model inbound next week. I'm a tuner/tweaker. I plan on shooting local 3 gun matches (heavy div), and USPSA limited 10.

What tuning mods can be done to suit both of these matches? Leaning to SAO eventually. Are magwells and popple holes allowed in 3gun, or does it have to stay mostly stockish like Service Pistol.

Also on handload, is there such a thing as minor/major in 3 gun if I am already running heavy div? My thinking here is that I can just run minor PF loads for both matches. Or would it be worth the time and effort to try some limited major rounds - I just don't see how this would be a great advantage: no comps in limited >  no gas needed > minor PF rounds.  Can you do popple holes and slide lighteneing in 3 gun or limited, that may make a difference?

...just putting my pinky toenail out there to check the ripples...
I did first 3 gun last month with garand/870.1911 and it was awesome, but I just can't deny loving the feel of the CZ over 1911..
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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2020, 02:10:00 PM »
Personally I would read the rules and conform your pistol to USPSA requirements. In general, three gun rules are a little bit more flexible as far as equipment. The only issue usually is whether your pistol has an optic on it or not. 10 round mags will be legal in every 3-gun organization I’m aware of. If you are running around a lot with a holstered pistol for 3-gun I would recommend a retention holster like the safariland ALS system and you might also use the SLS hood in addition. I’ve seen a lot of pistols fall out of inferior holsters during multigun competitions.

Furthermore, IMO, your pistol upgrades aren’t going to save you a lot of time in 3gun. A good set of sights and a good trigger and maybe a magwell are about all you can do IMO. If you really want to save time practice loading your shotgun and getting fast good hits on long steel with your rifle.

This is not to say you shouldn’t gear up all you want... that’s part of the fun.
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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2020, 07:43:22 PM »
yeah, I had an idea that most of what you said is true.

I guess my specific question is: Is Major PF in 3 gun a thing or not?

Since I plan on running limited 10, iron sights, I should be mostly GTG sounds like.

Got the holster covered already.

I suck at shotty, I just shoot til empty and switch to pistol. The shotty is the most fun though. I got to use my 16" bayonete as a tripod barrel prop on one stage and hit the PING! great day...

I'm excited about the 97, I plan to tinker and shoot it while this ammo thing gobbles up 9...
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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2020, 08:09:06 PM »
There isn't a mag well available for the 97 that I'm aware of. Pretty sure there's no minor/major to deal with in 3gun unless your local rules are unique. That said, 230gr 45ACP easily makes 170 pf, even when loaded around 750fps.

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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2020, 10:08:14 PM »
I believe CZ custom just released a 97 magwell.

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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2020, 11:34:48 PM »
I believe CZ custom just released a 97 magwell.
Holy crap! That's awesome. Now they get more of my money.  :D

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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2020, 12:51:14 PM »
There may be minimum PF in some 3-gun orgs but likely you just need to make sure there's enough oomph to drop the poppers effectively. Going super soft/low power is robbing Peter to pay Paul IMO. You want the gun to work and you want to confidently knock down targets. If you save 0.0002 seconds in split times because you load mouse fart ammo that doesn't cycle the gun or knock down the steel, you're going backwards. Worry about things that matter.  ;)

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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2020, 10:13:15 AM »
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You want the gun to work and you want to confidently knock down targets. If you save 0.0002 seconds in split times because you load mouse fart ammo that doesn't cycle the gun or knock down the steel, you're going backwards. Worry about things that matter.
This!
I might drop to 185s if they are cheaper. I'm hoping that the load I come up with will run both the 1911 and 97
Now Magwell alert is why I post stuff like that here!
Thx! pics when it happens...
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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2020, 10:21:04 PM »

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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2020, 01:45:59 PM »
Just ordered couple EAA whitness 45 mags from buds.

I saw the magwell, but its just putrid, I get that it is made to fit in the box but that's a pass for me.

Where can I find:
Rubber grips (Used would be great)
metal mag extensions

Thx, loving this gun!
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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2020, 06:17:58 PM »

Where can I find:

metal mag extensions

Thx, loving this gun!

The +2 mag extensions I use are here:  https://www.henningshop.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1284186&CAT=9996  Can't help with grips.  They're sold out everywhere I looked.  Maybe Ebay?

Offline Earl Keese

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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2020, 07:21:59 PM »
What's wrong with the magwell?
I have a set of OEM rubber grips I'd be willing to sell. $20 plus shipping.

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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2020, 01:50:30 AM »
I'll take the grip please. PM me and I'll get you right tomorrow. thx!
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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2020, 01:52:46 AM »
Maybe my reply was a little harsh. The magwell I saw for the 97 was really thin, more like hollow baseplate than a funnel. I'm sure it is supremely effective if it has to fit in the box, though.
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Re: mods to 97B in Limited10 or 3 gun???
« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2020, 07:37:11 PM »
PM sent for rubber grips.
New EAA whitness .45 mags came in from Buds today. Test hand cycled rounds in the yard, all GTG. Slide locks, mags spring out. Will test further and report.

I have to hand it to Bud's Gun Shop/Site. I sprung for 1$ shipping option, they said it would be delayed, gave a coupon on next order. Mags arrive in mail today (2days?) - wow.
75B-milsurp- (first CZ build)
SP-01-SAO-compedOpenMajor w/DOT
97B stock for now
SAR P8L
..others..