Another CZ bites the dust...

[Claymore504]

This "design flaw" that keeps being refered to, is the TRS a design flaw, or the gun?  Does this include the P07 & P09?

[briang2ad]

The TRS has/is a design flaw.  It breaks too easily.  Look at the long lever arms and the small coil.  It's in all CZ hammer guns.

[briang2ad]

I've heard of folks replacing the TRS without pulling the FCG - I guess it may be doable, but not trivial.  on the "stock P01" to replace the TRS, you have to pull the FCG which is NON-trivial.  It is easier to install a short reset kit in a SIG than replace the TRS in a CZ. 

   While i beveled otherwise for a long time, replacing the TRS and changing Triggers without removing the Sear Cage is rather straight forward and quick in CZ 75 variants, once you get the hang of it. Once the Trigger Pin is out, the front of the Trigger Bar can be raised up high enough to remove the Trigger to Trigger bar connecting pin. Once this is accomplished the new TRS can be retained in the Trigger by a salve pin and then reinstalled.

If you are interested, i have some pictures from a post that i have not gotten around to finishing yet on the subject.

Thank you sir - I'll try that first next time.  If it works for me, it may make me 'less fearful' of 75 decockers.  LOL

Follow up thread needs to become a sticky. 

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

This "design flaw" that keeps being refered to, is the TRS a design flaw, or the gun?  Does this include the P07 & P09?

It's only a flaw for briang2ad and maybe a couple other people out of God knows how many CZ's have been sold/used worldwide. The TRS in my CZ's are indestructible and will never break.

[Claymore504]

This "design flaw" that keeps being refered to, is the TRS a design flaw, or the gun?  Does this include the P07 & P09?

It's only a flaw for briang2ad and maybe a couple other people out of God knows how many CZ's have been sold/used worldwide. The TRS in my CZ's are indestructible and will never break.

Yeah i really do not see it being a major issue. Pannnone's P09 went what, 60K rounds with CGW parts in it? Can they break? For sure, but just not seeing it as a widespread issue. Anyways, like I said before trust is a major issue when it comes to duty / self defense handguns. If you do not trust a handgun then do not use it for those jobs. I think that is what it really comes down to.

[briang2ad]

I HAVE the P gun kinda because of Mike Pannone.  I'm not telling people to ditch them.

I actually got the term "design flaw" from a trusted CZ Smith.  It is weaker than any TRS design I know. 

If you like to work on guns, you have choices, and you don't mind the increased risk of this happening, its NOT a big deal.

If you DON'T have choices and money to spend, and/or you don't like messing around inside your gun, you MAY want to go another route.  There are very good options today - even though I can likely shoot CZs as good or better than any other gun - just picking it up - no warm up. 

The thread was not designed to bind up folks underwear - just an honest aspect for those who use forums to inform themselves about purchases and choices.

[Claymore504]

I HAVE the P gun kinda because of Mike Pannone.  I'm not telling people to ditch them.

I actually got the term "design flaw" from a trusted CZ Smith.  It is weaker than any TRS design I know. 

If you like to work on guns, you have choices, and you don't mind the increased risk of this happening, its NOT a big deal.

If you DON'T have choices and money to spend, and/or you don't like messing around inside your gun, you MAY want to go another route.  There are very good options today - even though I can likely shoot CZs as good or better than any other gun - just picking it up - no warm up. 

The thread was not designed to bind up folks underwear - just an honest aspect for those who use forums to inform themselves about purchases and choices.

Fully agree!

[briang2ad]

I would like to know more about Mike P's experience.  He HAS to dry fire a ton, and I assume he has fired MANY rounds through his P07 also.  I cannot imagine that he never broke a TRS. 

BTW - I WAS very disappointed that my P01 O broke  - not really expecting it, and its my curse with the CZ pistol.  They do just shoot well with little work on your behalf - even when they have bad OTB triggers.  LOL.

[George16]

Bad TRS, bad trigger, what else is bad?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Bad TRS, bad trigger, what else is bad?

Good grief who knows. If I cared to spend My time posting about a certain guns shortcomings I'd join the Sig forum and rail about the issues those guns have but I don't have time to waste posting complaint threads and then trying to defend them. If I spend time with a platform and I find it doesn't meet my standards I just quietly move on from it. I spent some time and money with Sig over the past few years yet they never came close to replacing My CZ's especially My PCR.
The Sigs will find their way to new homes and while I do like certain things about them they reinforced My faith in my CZ's. I've owned literally hundreds of handguns over the years and I'll own many more before it's over but aside from my wheelguns my CZ's will never leave.

[Hammer Time]

Bad TRS, bad trigger, what else is bad?

Good grief who knows. If I cared to spend My time posting about a certain guns shortcomings I'd join the Sig forum and rail about the issues those guns have but I don't have time to waste posting complaint threads and then trying to defend them. If I spend time with a platform and I find it doesn't meet my standards I just quietly move on from it. I spent some time and money with Sig over the past few years yet they never came close to replacing My CZ's especially My PCR.
The Sigs will find their way to new homes and while I do like certain things about them they reinforced My faith in my CZ's. I've owned literally hundreds of handguns over the years and I'll own many more before it's over but aside from my wheelguns my CZ's will never leave.

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[Earl Keese]

Bad TRS, bad trigger, what else is bad?

Good grief who knows. If I cared to spend My time posting about a certain guns shortcomings I'd join the Sig forum and rail about the issues those guns have but I don't have time to waste posting complaint threads and then trying to defend them. If I spend time with a platform and I find it doesn't meet my standards I just quietly move on from it. I spent some time and money with Sig over the past few years yet they never came close to replacing My CZ's especially My PCR.
The Sigs will find their way to new homes and while I do like certain things about them they reinforced My faith in my CZ's. I've owned literally hundreds of handguns over the years and I'll own many more before it's over but aside from my wheelguns my CZ's will never leave.

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^^This^^
I'm here because I like the brand/platform. . .and the community.

[Tok36]

   I have faith that briang2ad will work past the trauma that broken Trigger Return Springs have caused him. In time he will make him self a battle necklace out of his many broken TRS and will wear it as a reminder of his moment of weakness and doubt in CZ greatness. 

[George16]

Bad TRS, bad trigger, what else is bad?

Good grief who knows. If I cared to spend My time posting about a certain guns shortcomings I'd join the Sig forum and rail about the issues those guns have but I don't have time to waste posting complaint threads and then trying to defend them. If I spend time with a platform and I find it doesn't meet my standards I just quietly move on from it. I spent some time and money with Sig over the past few years yet they never came close to replacing My CZ's especially My PCR.
The Sigs will find their way to new homes and while I do like certain things about them they reinforced My faith in my CZ's. I've owned literally hundreds of handguns over the years and I'll own many more before it's over but aside from my wheelguns my CZ's will never leave.

That was my attempt at sarcasm for the OP since it seems to me that he’s the only one I know of having problems.

If you would read my previous reply on this thread, I dry fire my CZ’s 5-6 days a week form 30-45 minutes and still have to break the TRS. This is on the shadow 2 and Czechmate. I like CZ that’s why I have a shadow 2, TSO and Czechmate that I use in competition.

I don’t have any complaints about my CZs. In fact I modified them to suit my shooting style without any adverse problems if I don’t like something about any of my guns.

[Gunnerdad80]

I dry fire my CZ’s 5-6 days a week form 30-45 minutes and still have to break the TRS.

I’m confused, why do you “still have to break the TRS”? Don’t you like your TRS? If you aren’t breaking the TRS accidentally then why are you breaking them on purpose?!