Another CZ bites the dust...

[benq]

I’ve had stock, CZC and CGW TRS break in my CZs if I don’t replace them after a year of use. I’ve learn to deal with it and buy in bulk. Lol

Good thing they all use the same TRS, at least mine do.


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[briang2ad]

Yes - sensible to replace them periodically. 

Yes other guns have issues, but not the same way that renders the gun broke at the rate this does and with only dry firing. 

Not a 'bad batch'.  In 2003 there WERE a bad batch of trigger springs.  I broke 7-8 that year. 

I posted because I think more people need to know this before they get too far invested in CZs.  I wish I read a thread like this years ago. 

[George16]

I dry fire with my shadow 2 5-6 days a week (30-45 minutes) and compete with it 3-4 times a month and still haven’t broken the TRS. I do keep my gun clean and oiled (clean and oil after every match) to prevent any breakdown or malfunction during a match.

The only thing I do during dry fire is adding an oring to cushion the firing pin being hit by the hammer. Overnight than that, all is well.

[M1A4ME]

Reminds me of that old show that started back in the late 60's, Hee Haw.

"If it weren't for bad luck I'd have not luck at all,
Gloom, despair and agony on me."

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Yes - sensible to replace them periodically. 

Yes other guns have issues, but not the same way that renders the gun broke at the rate this does and with only dry firing. 

Not a 'bad batch'.  In 2003 there WERE a bad batch of trigger springs.  I broke 7-8 that year. 

I posted because I think more people need to know this before they get too far invested in CZs.  I wish I read a thread like this years ago.

It's not too late you can ditch those crappy CZ's.   Send them to me. My safe has a gun disposal unit that can take care of them.  Honestly all you do is cry about CZ's breaking trs and the lousy out of the box triggers and so on. Why are you even still here?

[em44052]

I had heard several issues with the TRS on CZ pistols before I bought my first P01. I always go ahead and buy the CGW kit that includes a new TRS and install. The only CZ I have not installed the kit in is my P10. Of course, this was a time you could pick up a P01 for around $400. I actually purchased mine for $360 new several years ago not including transfer fees and background check.

[Gunnerdad80]

Seems like someone here (CGW??) recommended keeping the springs well oiled vs. running them dry.  OP, do you keep it oiled up (the TRS) or let it go? I keep mine well oiled (drop of oil on it every time I clean it/lube it).

Agreed. If it’s a point of friction I oil it wether it’s a tiny bit of oil or a lot, dry or wet lube, and wether it’s metal on metal or metal on polymer. As the gun heats up the damaging affects of friction accelerate. Just my $0.02.

[Gunnerdad80]

Maybe if I leave one of my CZs and one of my HKs in a dark room alone overnight, with a little Barry White and a bottle of Courvoisier, they'll produce the perfect love child...

Or some Jodeci and a bottle of Hennessy...

[briang2ad]

Honestly all you do is cry about CZ's breaking trs and the lousy out of the box triggers and so on. Why are you even still here?

I'm here cuz I am still a CZ guy and CZ is the most prolific gun I own.  My first wondernine is CZ, and while I've defended them in many ways, (reliability, accuracy, ergonomics, etc.) I think errors need illumination for the sake of folks considering buying them, or buying more. 

I used to think the TRS was a nuisance to be dealt with - now I think it is a bit beyond that and wanted to explain.  I knew some people would get riled, but so be it. 

For competition this is a NON ISSUE - its why so many are in competition and do well.  For a carry gun maybe an issue - especially for those who dry fire practice as much as they should. 

[George16]

It would be more of an issue on a competition gun since it gets used and abused way more than you use yours. If competitors are not having problems with it and you do, then I think the problem is on you.

Just like SVPP said, ditch your problem CZs and be done with it. This way, you won’t have any reasons to post and bash them.

How often and how long are your dry fire sessions? I dryfire 5-6 days a week and at least 30-45 minutes per session and still have to break any of my competition guns.

[Claymore504]

briang2ad,

I think at this point you do not trust CZ handguns for "duty" use. I can understand your frustration, but I have not experienced what you have going on at all with any of my CZ handguns. If trust is lost I would strictly look at your CZ handguns as range guns from now on. I too had this happen with me and the Sig P320 a while back. I was all in on the P320 platform a couple years back. Then all the issues started happening. The voluntary upgrade fixed the drop issue, but there was?is still probems being reported. I finally lost trust in the gun and that was it. I sold off all my P320 handguns and gear and moved on. I was actually realliny thinking about going DA/SA at the time anyways, so it helped the choice happen as well.

So, I say move on from CZ and maybe keep a couple for range fun. Invest in a platform that you have full trust in and move on.

[briang2ad]

So, I say move on from CZ and maybe keep a couple for range fun. Invest in a platform that you have full trust in and move on.

I have pistols I trust - I like my CZs and will move forward not on - just with caveats.

[buddyd157]

well, right now, i have 2 CZ's...a 75B and a 97B

i love them both, they run flawlessly.

the 97 B, only has about 200 rds thru it now, as it is fairly new, and i "rotate" all my guns each range trip. (6 in total right now...more to come...lol)

my 75B has just over 1500 rds, and i have had that since about March of this year.

so, i have been one to "be prepared", and no, i was never a boy scout.

so i just went ahead and ordered up 3 TRS's from cajon, only $7.00 each, and they are lighter springs at that, that are made of music wire???

i will put those with the 2 new firing pin roll pins, i bought some time ago as well.(from cajon as well)

will i ever need any of these parts?

maybe...maybe not.

i am NOT abusive to my guns, i DO NOT dry fire them, with out snap caps.

i clean and lube each gun, after each range visit

but, i will continue to LOVE my CZ's.

just as much as i LOVE my Taurus G3c, Canik TP 9 SF, Glock G-17, and the Remington R1911

i think the o/p may be a bit abusive with his firearms, to have had so many TRS's break.

[M1A4ME]

I never paid much attention to the coils in the spring.

Do they make contact with each other? 

I was wondering about the friction/temperature/lube stuff.  If the coils do not make contact with each other as the trigger is pulled and released would there be heat generated anyway?

Is there something about the amount of available space, or the required spring diameter, that results in the coils being close enough to rub each other?

Just wondering.

[buddyd157]

I never paid much attention to the coils in the spring.

Do they make contact with each other? 

I was wondering about the friction/temperature/lube stuff.  If the coils do not make contact with each other as the trigger is pulled and released would there be heat generated anyway?

Is there something about the amount of available space, or the required spring diameter, that results in the coils being close enough to rub each other?

Just wondering.