Another CZ bites the dust...

[George16]

I dry fire my CZ’s 5-6 days a week form 30-45 minutes and still have to break the TRS.

I’m confused, why do you “still have to break the TRS”? Don’t you like your TRS? If you aren’t breaking the TRS accidentally then why are you breaking them on purpose?!

Just to prove to the OP that the TRS is not flawed  . He’s the only breaking them yet can’t even answer my question on how often and how long does he dryfire  .

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I dry fire my CZ’s 5-6 days a week form 30-45 minutes and still have to break the TRS.

I’m confused, why do you “still have to break the TRS”? Don’t you like your TRS? If you aren’t breaking the TRS accidentally then why are you breaking them on purpose?!

Just to prove to the OP that the TRS is not flawed  . He’s the only breaking them yet can’t even answer my question on how often and how long does he dryfire  .

Thing is it's not that he can't answer how many times he's pulled the trigger it's that he seems to withhold that info because he knows it will explain why the trs are failing for him. I have never disputed that the trs can fail but it is not the widespread defect that the OP tries to imply.

[M1A4ME]

I have not, yet, broken a CZ spring, trigger return or other.  I did, awhile back, replace some springs with reduced power versions.

I've read of broken trigger return springs on other forums.  One guy said he bought a new P09 9MM and fell in love with it.  Felt good in his hand, shot fantastic groups (he's a Glock guy and so he was really happy with the P09 groups) but something broke on it a few weeks after he got it.  I don't remember what broke.  he shipped it to CZ USA, they fixed it and returned it.  Two weeks after he got it back the trigger return spring broke at the range. 

He sent it back to CZ USA again, got it fixed and when they returned it to him he sold it.  He said two breakage issues in the first month or so of use was too much for him to trust the gun for serious use.

I hear about lousy triggers.  My P07 came out of the box around 3&1/4 to 3&1/2 lb. SA and about 8&1/2 DA.  I thought it had a pretty decent trigger.  Way better than the Glock/XDM/M&P pistols that preceded my very first CZ.  The next CZ, a P09, came out of the box with a 1/4 lb. more effort required SA and DA than the P07.  A little more "creep" before the hammer release, but the pull weight was pretty darned good.

Good and bad.  Like cars, trucks, washers, dryers, refrigerators, etc., etc., etc.  Some days you eat the bear, some days the bear eats you (remember Gardens of Stone?)

[briang2ad]

it's that he seems to withhold that info because he knows it will explain why the trs are failing for him.

He = me.

I am not deliberately witholding data.  I think my first broken TRS was on a PreB and I was breaking it in - per instructions I got at the time here many years ago.  It lasted about 5000 pulls.  Not really rapid fire.  Just consistent but one after another almost like dry fire practice. 

I don't count my dry fires. 

Others I can tell you lasted only between about 1-2K.  This P01 likely had 1000 dry fires and maybe 500 live fires.  I ditched a P01 may years ago (CZ bought it back - good on them) because the triggers were SO bad, and that was before people even worked on them - I broke about 4 in that one dry firing it.  Some of it was rapid fire.  None lasted more then 2K I'd estimate.

Over time, I have broke many.  I venture to guess they last 2-5K - some will likely last more. 

I just watched a vid from a reviewer which I mentioned and his probably went 1000K live fire and because I THINK he dry fire practices another 1K.

Again, I have dry fired my SP2022 more than 2-3K and it has several hundred rounds and I have confidence it will never break - cuz they generally don't.  Same with other SIGS and the HK P30.  Look at their TRS and you will know why. 

[Claymore504]

Bad TRS, bad trigger, what else is bad?

Good grief who knows. If I cared to spend My time posting about a certain guns shortcomings I'd join the Sig forum and rail about the issues those guns have but I don't have time to waste posting complaint threads and then trying to defend them. If I spend time with a platform and I find it doesn't meet my standards I just quietly move on from it. I spent some time and money with Sig over the past few years yet they never came close to replacing My CZ's especially My PCR.
The Sigs will find their way to new homes and while I do like certain things about them they reinforced My faith in my CZ's. I've owned literally hundreds of handguns over the years and I'll own many more before it's over but aside from my wheelguns my CZ's will never leave.

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^^This^^
I'm here because I like the brand/platform. . .and the community.

Spot on. Same here. Love the people here and CZ weapons are amazing.

[briang2ad]

CZs have amazing triggers when tuned on most of their guns.  They shoot darn well and with almost no previous handling - and that is why they are so popular.  I like them, and love to shoot them. 

Their TRS is weaker than others.  That's all, and I'm not the only one to experience it.  Dead horse.

SOME of their guns have amazing triggers stock OTB - I'd put that in the 25-30% category.  30-40% are acceptable and will do great with tuning. Some are pretty horrid, and while they can be improved, you have much trouble removing the stacking - especially in the P series.  I judge a DA/SA by its DA - period - the most important shot.  ALL have a very good SA and I don't mind the camming - others do.

But again, overall a super gun to shoot. 

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

it's that he seems to withhold that info because he knows it will explain why the trs are failing for him.

He = me.

I am not deliberately witholding data.  I think my first broken TRS was on a PreB and I was breaking it in - per instructions I got at the time here many years ago.  It lasted about 5000 pulls.  Not really rapid fire.  Just consistent but one after another almost like dry fire practice. 

I don't count my dry fires. 

Others I can tell you lasted only between about 1-2K.  This P01 likely had 1000 dry fires and maybe 500 live fires.  I ditched a P01 may years ago (CZ bought it back - good on them) because the triggers were SO bad, and that was before people even worked on them - I broke about 4 in that one dry firing it.  Some of it was rapid fire.  None lasted more then 2K I'd estimate.

Over time, I have broke many.  I venture to guess they last 2-5K - some will likely last more. 

I just watched a vid from a reviewer which I mentioned and his probably went 1000K live fire and because I THINK he dry fire practices another 1K.

Again, I have dry fired my SP2022 more than 2-3K and it has several hundred rounds and I have confidence it will never break - cuz they generally don't.  Same with other SIGS and the HK P30.  Look at their TRS and you will know why.

Yeah post the vid from the reviewer so we can all watch it.
Spare me the Sigs are great crap. They are not. I have 2 M11 A1's and a P229 Legion with triggers that have gotten progressively worse over time instead of better. They all exhibit an annoying failure to extract albeit every few hundred rounds that Sig says is acceptable. I say not acceptable My CZ's never choke so to your point earlier in this thread about having a trs break in a defensive situation the same can be said for a gun that chokes in that situation. My PCR has never suffered a feed stoppage of any kind in more than 15,000 rnds fired now or any other failure for that matter but the Sigs have suffered more than a dozen feed jams per gun in 4000 rnds fired in each gun. I don't dry fire but I do keep pretty good track of my live fire practice. I know how many rnds all My guns have down range.

[Tok36]

   I am pretty sure that even if the TRS broke you could manually reset the Trigger with you finger. Kind of like a little lever action. Now you might ask, is anyone going to be likely to correctly deduce the issue for what it is, in the heat of the moment? I figure, with all of the TRS exploding all over the place all the time, it would be the first thing that you would think of and you would automatically switch to tiny lever action mode and get back to work without skipping a beat. 

[Gunnerdad80]

you would automatically switch to tiny lever action mode and get back to work without skipping a beat. 

BHS: Baby Henry Syndrome 

[briang2ad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-QZeYu9Qcc

Overall positive review.  He's done three on P01 and one on CZ Compact.

Para:  never said SIGS were great and CZs were not.  I can tell you that they've been just as reliable for me.  I do not expect to ever break a TRS/TB reset spring on them.  Same with HK, FNX, etc - again, because of the design.

YEs - you can manually reset and I've done this when breaking a TRS at the range.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

So aside from the guy claims his trs broke his review is worth nothing to me. It's an opinion piece.  I'm no more going to own a glock than I'am a highpoint. His explanation of the short throated CZ barrels and the glock that will eat anything is incorrect. Like many guns today glock has polygonal rifled barrels which are generally are not good and sometimes not safe for the use of lead bullets. I cast my own slugs and in many calibers so the ability to shoot lead is important.
Check this link on glocks. Note what he has to say about some of the coil trs springs in those guns.    www.activeresponsetraining.net/are-glocks-truly-perfection

[briang2ad]

I showed the video because I was asked to show it to seemingly prove that a TRS actually broke during testing of a review.  All reviews end up sharing some facts and some mere opinions or preferences. The fact that a TRS in the P01 broke in his testing is not opinion, and its not just a claim - unless he's just a bald faced liar.  I've seen some of his videos and he's not.  If you watch his other P01 vids he praises the gun, and demonstrates why (proved with use in timed drills) he carries the gun.

Do TRSs break in Glocks?  Yup.  Do they break on Beretta 92 series?  Yup - at least according to people on the web. 

When you break many and you see and read about folks doing it with less than 3-5K rounds through the gun, you notice it and it goes a bit beyond the normal maintenance issue - like a SIG roll pin on a WG slide, or an M9 locking block.

Yes, I started the thread in a mood a bit hacked - but I should be - especially with that P01 which has less than 600 rounds through it and had likely less than 1000 dry fires.

But still... I trusted it enough on Sunday for it to protect God's people, and tonight me and my wife on a walk.  (Of course I only have a couple hundred dry fires on this TRS). 

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I think the thing you at some point have to accept is that CZ's are no more or dare I say less flawed than any other platform out there. If you like to form your opinions or preferences based on the  things you read on the web then you should never trust anything but a baseball bat for reliability because you can type in virtually any gun and find a myriad of problems with them. The guns from Sig, CZ, S&W, DW and Beretta that still reside in my possession are here because they were able to prove to me that I could have life saving confidence in them. I have also had guns from those companies that were just plain crap although I've not had a CZ that I got rid of for any reliability concern I do find that I don't like the Omega lockwork much at all. so the 75B Omega and P-07 I had have been orphaned.

[briang2ad]

I'll say this:

We have MANY great choices - amazing really.

I think CZs are in general more reliable than most.  They are very accurate.  They feed and function great OTB.  The only problem I ever saw in that regard was a 40 with a 9mm slide stop and a weak extractor spring.  I just have this flinch about the TRS - and it may hang on me for a while.

I DO believe the Omega system is more susceptible to stacking because it is more prone to "tolerance stacking", but I've seen both systems with this issue.  CZs - especially the 75 series CAN have an amazingly SHORT and smooth DA - almost no transition from DA to SA.  SIGS and others - just don't have this. 

[pedropcola]

So much wrong in this thread. The Omega was clearly a simplified system that allowed them to consolidate manufacture.  No separate assembly and sales of a BD model and a B model. My first 75 BD is a 99 manufacture and my first P01 is an 05. I have run a Kadet on both along with their 9 uppers. Lots of rounds. Lots of trigger actuations. Until I fairly recently swapped in a CGW pro package into both they were running their original TRS. Then you claim how hard it is to swap out a TRS. In fact if I read you correctly, you very incorrectly believe you have to remove the sear cage to swap one out. Seriously you don’t understand the sharp end of a pencil. It is in fact very easy to swap out not only the TRS but the actual trigger as well without removing anything but the trigger pin.  If I broke 15 of the same springs I would sell every one of those guns and bad mouth them forever. I guess you are just happy with the bad mouthing part Clearly you are doing something goofy.

By the way, if somebody tells you to dry fire a gun 10,000 times to smooth it out, that is just bad advice. Take the gun apart, smooth out some parts, and put it back together. Why would you purposely do that?  If you are running original firing pin retaining pins they might be broke as well. SMDH.