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Offline mistercmath

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I May Start Reloading
« on: December 08, 2020, 10:40:26 AM »
Is this a bad time to start reloading 45 ACP for my CZ97B? I think it would be engrossing and, in the long run, may save me some money. Can I buy powder, bullets, and primers now?
Thanks for your input.

Stephen

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2020, 11:20:42 AM »
Right now is the worst time to reload since primers are almos non-existent. If you do find some, they’re way overpriced.

However, if you can find a great source of primers at a reasonable price, go for it.

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2020, 11:25:56 AM »
 The shortages of all components is reaching far and wide. Like has been mentioned primers are nonexistent and I'm seeing mass powder shortages as well. Very good luck finding anything at this point. Make hay while the sun shines not in a thunderstorm.

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2020, 02:09:47 PM »
The shortage of components right now is going to make it challenging to get started, but we’ve been here before and this to shall pass at some point.  Albeit this time it might take 6 mos to a year or so. 

That said, now is a good time to research what kind of press and accessories you eventually will want to get once things return to normal.  It depends a lot on how many calibers, pistol vs rifle, quantity you intend to shoot each month, etc.  I started out 30 yrs ago with a single stage press + kit, which served me well for 15+ years until my monthly demand went up (started competitive shooting) and upgraded to a progressive press.  I still have the trusty single stage and pretty much exclusively use it for reloading rifle and use the progressive press for pistol.  Tho I also load bulk .223 on my progressive. 

Give it some time, do some research, watch Youtube videos, etc. while you wait for the shortage to be over.  The last time there was a bunch of barely used reloading gear for sale once people could buy reasonably affordable factory ammo again and their presses just sat and collected dust. 

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2020, 02:24:24 PM »
In addition to difficulty finding components, equipment is scarce and overpriced as well. Your best bet is to do your research and collect brass.

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2020, 03:24:56 PM »
In addition to difficulty finding components, equipment is scarce and overpriced as well. Your best bet is to do your research and collect brass.

Well, brass is disappearing from the gun ranges as well. Last time I visited outdoor range - everyone is collecting their brass after themsleves, or shooting steel cases or .22lr ammo.
And indoor range owners are so greedy so they won't allow you to collect your own brass :(

I was lucky to purchase 4000 small pistol primers this spring when this only started. Sad, that I only bought 1000 of small rifle primers - I mostly reload and shoot .223/5.56 these days.
With my shooting habits reduced frequency (due to COVID) I have reloading stock for the next 2 years. (I wish I had it till the next Presidential Election).

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2020, 03:39:15 PM »
Is this a bad time to start reloading 45 ACP for my CZ97B? I think it would be engrossing and, in the long run, may save me some money. Can I buy powder, bullets, and primers now?
Thanks for your input.

Stephen

i plan on reloading as well, with-in the next 2-3 months. however, knowing that components are hard to find, i will at least get the press, and several dies for what calibers i want to reload. i will also go ahead and buy a vibrator cleaning system. i might just get many things pre-done like the cleaning and depriming out of the way. at the very least, just doing that, will keep me out of my wife's hair......or is it, keep her outta my hair..????
Just  getting on thru retirement., and into the sport of shooting, with anyone of my......21 handguns, either semi-automatics, or revolvers

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2020, 03:44:11 PM »
Welcome Aboard !

Stephen -
What you've been given above is true... but realities may vary in your local area. Here's what I'd tell you...

1. First of all, in a perfect world, 'Yes' you'd be swapping your time for your money. Normally, you'd be saving about 50% on the cost of your ammo. These saving go back into paying for the equipment. With normal shooting rates all the equipment is paid off in under 1 year, and since most of the equipment lasts 20+ years you can see it's a worthwhile investment. So it's strange, but the hobby of reloading actually pays for itself. The place to start is HERE.

2. You're in luck, the 45ACP is one of the few guns that excels with lead bullets. This is due to the very low bullet speed. Lead bullets can be much easier to find right now than the plated and jacketed bullets needed by other handguns. And, being a novice, you don't need 2 or 3,000, you're simply looking for 200 or so to get started. That's much easier to do. (The best for you may be coated 200gr SWC.)



3. Since you got to have brass to "reload" in order to start reloading, I hope you've been picking up your empty brass. Brass is actually the starting point. You're going to want a coffee can full, or as much as you can gather.



4. Powder is out there. Most of it is $10 higher than it was this time last year. Now the good news... 45ACP can shoot a VERY wide variety of powder, so it's not as picky. And some of the powders (like Ramshot Competition) really can't be used in anything else. So scarcity is nothing like the extremely popular 9mm powders.

And too, a small 1 lb can will be able to load about 1500 cartridges. So if you find even a single canister, you're set !

5. As was mentioned, primers are the hardest component to find. There again you may be in luck. Most 45ACP brass uses Large Pistol Primers, which is again an uncommon size for handguns. So again, in your search you're competing against maybe 50 reloaders instead of 10,000.

[Be careful here. In the last 10 years, some ammo makers have been using 45ACP brass with Small Pistol Primers. So you'll want to pre-sort your brass accordingly.]

6. Reloading will take over space inside your home. Not as much as classic cars, but at least 6x4ft (the size of the closet in the guest bedroom). And you want the space heated so the equipment won't rust, and the weather won't shut you out. In Wisconsin, winter static may be your largest hurdle. Access by children is an important consideration.

7. If this all sounds feasible, ask your family for a hardback copy of the Lyman #50 Reloading Manual for Christmas. Start reading that, then you can ask more questions here. No question is too silly, we all asked the same questions when we started.

8. Ask for help from local mentors at your range, gun club, workplace or even here. Reloaders are generous, low-profile people. Finding a mentor at your Club or in your neighborhood might get you a great deal of the components you need to get started.


Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: December 08, 2020, 06:14:07 PM by Wobbly »
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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2020, 04:18:04 PM »
I plan on reloading as well, with-in the next 2-3 months. however, knowing that components are hard to find, i will at least get the press, and several dies for what calibers i want to reload.


Welcome Aboard !

Buddy -
Everything said in the previous post applies. Also, your stated location ("down by the river") is working against finding you a mentor.

Again, the place to start is HERE.

2 things to remember about buying a reloading press...
• Like any other personal purchase, don't buy until the mid-January sales open up.
• Since reloading has a quick monetary "payback", there's no need to buy the very cheapest press out there. If you typically shoot a lot, then a progressive may serve you better by saving you time. If you shoot competitively, and usually consume 500+ rounds a week, then even a $1500 Dillon XL750 system will be paid off in 9 months or so. Base your purchase on VOLUME of ammo, not price. That's the #1 mistake new reloaders make.

All the best.
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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2020, 04:48:13 PM »
Don't BUY anything until you've read several reloading books and manuals and have really thought about what YOU need, not what some one online you don't know thinks you need.
Get a copy of Handloading for Handgunners from Amazon, if you can.

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2020, 04:54:08 PM »
In addition to difficulty finding components, equipment is scarce and overpriced as well. Your best bet is to do your research and collect brass.

Well, brass is disappearing from the gun ranges as well. Last time I visited outdoor range - everyone is collecting their brass after themsleves, or shooting steel cases or .22lr ammo.
And indoor range owners are so greedy so they won't allow you to collect your own brass :(

I was lucky to purchase 4000 small pistol primers this spring when this only started. Sad, that I only bought 1000 of small rifle primers - I mostly reload and shoot .223/5.56 these days.
With my shooting habits reduced frequency (due to COVID) I have reloading stock for the next 2 years. (I wish I had it till the next Presidential Election).


 The local range I shoot at doesn't allow sifting through the brass buckets but the owner told me I could sweep the range if I want and keep all I sweep up. Most guys around here still leave brass lay where it lands. I knew we'd be here again and I do have enough till the next election.
I just snatched up a few hundred pounds on linotype so I'll be casting my own slugs again as well.

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2020, 07:14:07 PM »
Is this a bad time to start reloading 45 ACP for my CZ97B? I think it would be engrossing and, in the long run, may save me some money. Can I buy powder, bullets, and primers now?
Thanks for your input.

Stephen

depending many things, you maybe late to the party - again?

So do your due diligence and see what you can buy and whats on backorder or ?

Im sure you have access to a spreadsheet?  i use them for many things.  but you can use that to add what you need to buy to do reloading and then tally up the cost to get you started.  Check that start up number and if you bank account puckers up. 

Also, Reloading and "saving" money is an oxymoron.  You dont "save" money, all you do is to have a new and different hobby that will redirect any savings into your components to allow you shoot (more?).   

but consider where you are in terms of in line to buy reloading equipment and components.  There are many others like you thinking of reloading and have beat you to it.

again, do the math and then consider what you will do.

good luck


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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2020, 07:45:49 PM »
Another site to check out. I have RCBS progressive and a Dillon 650XL. The Dillon is a bullet producing machine!

https://ultimatereloader.com/

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2020, 07:02:50 AM »
Thanks, all, for the tips. Will start studying now. I'm sure you will be getting more questions from me soon.

Stephen

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Re: I May Start Reloading
« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2020, 08:17:56 AM »
Thanks, all, for the tips. Will start studying now. I'm sure you will be getting more questions from me soon.

Stephen

I studied a lot before I started - and it helped a lot!  Glad you are doing the same.  There are "stickies" at the start of this forum that help a lot for answers (or creating more questions).  If you have time read through them - they will help.
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=100352.0

Wobbly and others put a great deal of time and thought into them.

If you run into an unanswered question or a problem please ask - EVERYONE has had them and a lot of folks on this forum are VERY knowledgeable.

FWIW - anytime you see a load recommendation on ANY website, please verify it for yourself so you don't blow up something.  Some are good loads, some are not.  For a load you need to take many things into consideration.

Keep an eye out for estates sales, auctions, craigslist, etc.  There are times you can find good deals on a complete set of stuff.  There are many brands of presses.  Each has it's own pro or con, size requirements, etc etc.  Dillon is very popular, but there are others too - Lee, Hornady, RCBS, etc

Hopefully you can find a mentor or someone locally to get info from.  There was only one locally here - the more I read the more I realized he didn't know much - so reading helped me realize that.

Yea, stuff might be hard to find, but not impossible - once you know what you want to try - keep an eye out and you will find it. - This is Mission difficult, not Mission Impossible.  :)
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