Why are striker fired harder to shoot than hammer fired for me?

[jhyungosv]

Is it just me, or do you shoot better with one than the other.

First gun is a P07.
Since then I've now got a SP01.
And recently added P10S.

I find the wall of the striker fired hard to get past. Tend to shoot lower left if I'm not concentrating. Pulling slightly too hard on the trigger to get past that wall.

On the hammer fired pistols though, there is no hard wall so it's just easy to be smooth from the get go.

Is this just me? Any tips on or drills to improve striker fired shooting?

The P10S was for my wife because she kept shooting low left on her M&P Shield so I thought it was the M&P not being right for her. Now she is shooting my P07 with dead-on accuracy.)

[CZ_N_LA]

Every time I change platforms I have to relearn the triggers.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

If you spend some quality time on a striker pistol and then switch back to hammer fired you'll likely find some of the same difficulty relearning the hammer fired platform. Been there and been through it. If you want to try a scary good striker trigger check out the Walther PPQ. The wall is so smooth you blow right through it like it wasn't there since the PPQ striker is pre cocked unlike many other striker pistols.

[M1A4ME]

Is it harder to shoot well because it's different?  Or because most striker fired guns just don't shoot the groups the P07 seems to and you're spoiled by it?

My P07/P09 guns have sure spoiled me.

I have Glock, M&P, FNS, xD/XDM striker fired pistols and they just won't shoot with the P07/P09 or a couple of my metal framed CZ pistols.

I have a couple M&Ps with Apex trigger kits in them.  Both 2.0 models.  Those triggers rival my good CZ hammer fired pistols for crispness and reset is head and shoulders above the CZ pistols (just a design thing but many people find that very important.

On the other hand, one of those M&Ps with the Apex trigger also has an Apex barrel in it and still won't shoot groups like the P07 and P09.  I have an M&P 2.0 .45 that has shown promise though, in a limited amount of shooting. 

Practice helps, but some guns are just not designed or built to shoot well.  Different people, different standards.  Different makers, different standards.

If I'm having a bad day at the range shooting test loads for a non-CZ pistol I will sometimes pull the P07 out of the holster, shoot 5 shots, put the smile back on my face and then pack up and go home with that warm fuzzy feeling that even if I can't do it with the FNS or M&P I can do it with the P07.

[alp3367]

  Do you shoot DA with your hammer guns? Or is the comparison based on SA shooting?

[Togmaster]

If your grip is right the trigger won't matter as much.

[Hammer Time]

If your grip is right the trigger won't matter as much.

^ Agreed. People spend way too much time obsessing over trigger manipulation and not enough focus on really good grip, imo. If the movement of one finger is pulling all the other 9 fingers and the gun off target, then the issue is likely your grip, as in you aren't gripping the gun with anywhere near enough counter-pressure (and I'm not talking about that 60/40, 70/30 silliness...)

Ultimately, one platform isn't inherently more accurate than the other - it's just what you're used to.

[alp3367]

If your grip is right the trigger won't matter as much.

 Indeed

[recoilguy]

The grip is very important and should be as consistent as possible. Accuracy begins with the grip.
Trigger manipulation is effected by grip amongst other things. A good trigger is surely a plus as well.
I find, in my experience only, and with the guns I tend to use (not the case in every circumstance or with every gun)
That Striker fire guns allow you shallower grip to the bore axis. Hammer fire guns and how the Beaver Tail is cut allows your grip to be
better suited for accuracy. IMHO I am sure there is plenty of data out there or some guns someone owns that is the exception or is a
point of contention to my theory. But a good grip, that is high on the Bore Axis with consistent and repeatable placement aids in accuracy.
Plenty of great shooters who use Striker fire guns, accuracy is obtainable and achievable. I just like hammer guns better.

RCG

[crosstimbers]

Not all hammer fired guns are equal, I shoot some better than others. For instance a typical 1911 generally has a better trigger than a typical Hi-Power, unless the stupid mag safety has been taken out on the later. Those are single action only, but even DA/SA pistols vary in trigger quality, I wont mention a brand name, but there is one in particular that Ive never been able to shoot well, and all models seem to feel like crude scrap metal in my hand. So (shrug?) like some have said, a lot has to do with what you're used to.

[bang bang]

welcome,

when it comes to guns, they are all not created the same. 

keep that in mind.  Just because it may go bang or not, does not mean you will be #1 shooter. 

have you looked at this?




but it may give you a start. 

Keep in mind, the gun is just there.  Its the person holding/using it that makes it go bang.  I have found over the many years and many guns i have and shot, the gun is usually more accurate than the person pulling the trigger.   Im not saying ALL guns are, but in general.   

So also keep in mind the gun can also be the issue.  I find it strange and sad that not many people have shooting buds.  Most of my time is shooting with friends and if there is any issue i let them try too, just to see what they experience and they can do. 

good luck

[retteryer]

Totally agree with reply #3.

[jhyungosv]

Is it harder to shoot well because it's different?  Or because most striker fired guns just don't shoot the groups the P07 seems to and you're spoiled by it?

Neither. I think it comes down to being most familiar with DA/SA at this point.

Another day at the range and I realize I can't figure out the wall on a striker.
I measured the P10S last night and it's a hard 5lb trigger.

Just more practice needed it seems to get used to the feel and weight of it.

[jhyungosv]

  Do you shoot DA with your hammer guns? Or is the comparison based on SA shooting?

I love DA

It's a comparison to both. I find even a smooth 10lb DA easier than a rock hard 5lb wall to break through on the striker.

[jhyungosv]

If your grip is right the trigger won't matter as much.

^ Agreed. People spend way too much time obsessing over trigger manipulation and not enough focus on really good grip, imo. If the movement of one finger is pulling all the other 9 fingers and the gun off target, then the issue is likely your grip, as in you aren't gripping the gun with anywhere near enough counter-pressure (and I'm not talking about that 60/40, 70/30 silliness...)

Ultimately, one platform isn't inherently more accurate than the other - it's just what you're used to.

Guys are probably right. I do obsess about grip. Deliberate practice with every round. More practice it is