scorpion muzzle brake question

[insp808]

Hello to everyone, from a newer Scorpion owner out in Hawaii:

My goal is to remove the pointless faux suppressor on my carbine but also to make the recoil as minimal as possible. Yeah I know, 9mm is minimal to begin with etc, but the goal is to make it as comfortable as possible for my petite wife and two kids as well. If I can get some extra functionality in addition to killing a pointless fake can, why not?

These two in particular caught my eye as being decently-priced and not overly long:
1. https://www.shooterselement.com/collections/muzzle-devices/products/muzzle-brake-9mm-1-2x28-threaded
2. https://slrrifleworks.com/synergy-mini-comp-9mm-1-2x28/

The problem with the first link is that it currently is sold-out. But another problem is that I am unsure if EITHER of the two above would work with my CZ, even if they were both available. I have the S1 carbine Scorpion and I hear that such “older” variants are 1X18 rather than 1/2X28 like the two brakes above.

Am I out of luck here? What are my options? Is there an option better than the two above for my objective? Thanks for any insight that you can provide, guys.

[bang bang]

Hello to everyone, from a newer Scorpion owner out in Hawaii:

My goal is to remove the pointless faux suppressor on my carbine but also to make the recoil as minimal as possible. Yeah I know, 9mm is minimal to begin with etc, but the goal is to make it as comfortable as possible for my petite wife and two kids as well. If I can get some extra functionality in addition to killing a pointless fake can, why not?

These two in particular caught my eye as being decently-priced and not overly long:
1. https://www.shooterselement.com/collections/muzzle-devices/products/muzzle-brake-9mm-1-2x28-threaded
2. https://slrrifleworks.com/synergy-mini-comp-9mm-1-2x28/

The problem with the first link is that it currently is sold-out. But another problem is that I am unsure if EITHER of the two above would work with my CZ, even if they were both available. I have the S1 carbine Scorpion and I hear that such “older” variants are 1X18 rather than 1/2X28 like the two brakes above.

Am I out of luck here? What are my options? Is there an option better than the two above for my objective? Thanks for any insight that you can provide, guys.

welcome,

some disclosures...

 > i dont have one, but since you do, you will have a better idea on what you are about to do or want to do. 

 > im not gong to do the work for you or the reserach.

i have some questions. I dont need to know since im not doing the mods, but you should know.

 > i get what you want to do, but why?

 > if you remove the faux suppressor you may then have an SBR.  Do you plan or have an tax stamp for that? 

 > what is "comfortable"?


im not sure what you mean by "comfortable" but you may want to look at the real world issue and try to make adjustments. 

If all you want do is to remove the faux suppressor and attach a break, then go for it, but i would be checking on the barrel length to make sure it wont be an SBR.  Also, the last time i checked or read the laws, if the faux suppressor is part of the barrel (welded ), then its measured as such.  But if you can screw on/off your break and its not permanently fixed into place, it will change that measurement.

good luck

[Asylum9]

I don't get it. Take the time to reply just to say nothing at all except sound like a condescending a-hole. If you can't help or don't know, don't say anything. There are enough opinions and all you you're doing is passing more false Internet wisdom.


No, removing the faux suppressor will NOT make it a SBR. It'll be a carbine without the barrel shroud.
The barrel is threaded in 1/2x28 so you're in luck. The 18x1 was only one the first Gen pistol versions.

A 9mm brake absolutely works for 9mm. But more to keep the barrel flat when shooting at a higher rate of fire. It will do little for felt recoil. 
The recoil is mostly caused by the heavy bolt bouncing back and forth. There currently isn't much out there to reduce felt recoil like buffer Springs or light weight bolts. An actual suppressor would be the best bet.

[insp808]

welcome,

some disclosures...

 > i dont have one, but since you do, you will have a better idea on what you are about to do or want to do. 

 > im not gong to do the work for you or the reserach.

i have some questions. I dont need to know since im not doing the mods, but you should know.

 > i get what you want to do, but why?

Because my wife/children are both inexperienced and small physically speaking. So I want to minimize recoil for them in particular.

> if you remove the faux suppressor you may then have an SBR.  Do you plan or have an tax stamp for that? 

Not applicable/barrel is still 16 inches once the fake can is removed.

> what is "comfortable"?

So that a child is better able to have follow-up shots/minimize intimidation.

im not sure what you mean by "comfortable" but you may want to look at the real world issue and try to make adjustments. 

If all you want do is to remove the faux suppressor and attach a break, then go for it, but i would be checking on the barrel length to make sure it wont be an SBR.  Also, the last time i checked or read the laws, if the faux suppressor is part of the barrel (welded ), then its measured as such.  But if you can screw on/off your break and its not permanently fixed into place, it will change that measurement.

I haven't done it yet, but yes, reading online you can get it off. I also wanted it off because it seems weird to me to put something on it solely for the sake of aesthetics and zero functionality, which this faux suppressor seems to fit into. A muzzle brake could act as a good alternative in terms of both aesthetics and functionality (minimizing recoil, even if there isn't much to begin with) I think.

good luck

Thanks man.

[insp808]

I don't get it. Take the time to reply just to say nothing at all except sound like a condescending a-hole. If you can't help or don't know, don't say anything. There are enough opinions and all you you're doing is passing more false Internet wisdom.


No, removing the faux suppressor will NOT make it a SBR. It'll be a carbine without the barrel shroud.
The barrel is threaded in 1/2x28 so you're in luck. The 18x1 was only one the first Gen pistol versions.

A 9mm brake absolutely works for 9mm. But more to keep the barrel flat when shooting at a higher rate of fire. It will do little for felt recoil. 
The recoil is mostly caused by the heavy bolt bouncing back and forth. There currently isn't much out there to reduce felt recoil like buffer Springs or light weight bolts. An actual suppressor would be the best bet.

Beautiful, I'm glad that the 18X1 problem will be a non-issue for my carbine, thanks for that!

Yeah I understand that the bolt bouncing around is the main source of recoil in the Scorpion. Everything is a trade-off and I'm happy with that trade-off because that heavy/simple bolt system is great on the reliability end, which for me is a greater priority than the kick of the gun.

I hear you on the "actual suppressor" part but unfortunately that is not an option for me. I live in Hawaii, where a real suppressor isn't possible. So it is basically muzzle brake or bust for me. That's why I'm here looking for the best muzzle brake option.

[Asylum9]

Yeah I figured a can wasn't it the card due to location. I'm honestly surprised the Evo is acceptable. Like you said, everything a trade off.

There was a company that released a brake specifically for the Evo that was talked about here on this forum but you'd have to search for it as I don't remember off hand who's it was.

Just out of curiosity. What's the ammo situation over there? I'm sure it's more expensive but is it even available?

[1940Mopar]

I don't mind doing a little bit of research for others, as the stick up my rear was removed a long time ago.
The faux can will have loctite on the threads. Heating it will assist in removal. Some have found it easy to remove at the range after firing it.
It appears that the threading may not go all the way to the shoulder on the barrel. Use the correct washer to get the muzzle device timed correctly.
As Asylum9 said, you'll find 1/2x28 threads and it will still be a carbine when the faux can is removed. So, the options open up for muzzle devices.
Manticore makes a compensator/brake that is not overly expensive.
https://manticorearms.com/shop-by-rifle/scorpion-evo-products/reverb-muzzle-brake-1-2-x-28-tpi

[insp808]

I don't mind doing a little bit of research for others, as the stick up my rear was removed a long time ago.
The faux can will have loctite on the threads. Heating it will assist in removal. Some have found it easy to remove at the range after firing it.
It appears that the threading may not go all the way to the shoulder on the barrel. Use the correct washer to get the muzzle device timed correctly.
As Asylum9 said, you'll find 1/2x28 threads and it will still be a carbine when the faux can is removed. So, the options open up for muzzle devices.
Manticore makes a compensator/brake that is not overly expensive.
https://manticorearms.com/shop-by-rifle/scorpion-evo-products/reverb-muzzle-brake-1-2-x-28-tpi

Thank you! Appreciate the manticore option as well. Love the price there. 1.75 inches is a tad longer than the SLR one I linked earlier... I think in my google searches earlier it was a poster here named SouthernScorp that spoke glowingly about that one. I guess the question would be if cutting off half-an-inch is worth spending an extra 40 bucks or not. Well, that and if they both work as well.

Yeah I figured a can wasn't it the card due to location. I'm honestly surprised the Evo is acceptable. Like you said, everything a trade off.

There was a company that released a brake specifically for the Evo that was talked about here on this forum but you'd have to search for it as I don't remember off hand who's it was.

Just out of curiosity. What's the ammo situation over there? I'm sure it's more expensive but is it even available?

Evo carbines are acceptable here because they qualify as a rifle/are 16 inches. Little known fact... we have no magazine capacity restrictions on rifles in Hawaii (we aren't like California). So you can head down to the range with your scorpion and a 50 round drum no problem. I'm thankful for any break like that I can find, because there are other parts of the laws here in Hawaii that are a nightmare ha.

I'll be sure to be googling brake options for sure, as I'd like to make the purchase in the next couple days ideally. Hopefully I pick up some recommendations from this thread as well to see what might be the best fit. Looking for functionality of course but ideally something that isn't TOO long as well. Thanks for the pointer on the recoil pad btw, that sounds like a good (and cheap) option.

Ammo situation here is absurd right now. I'm on the most populated island (Oahu) and there are five gun stores a close drive from me. All of them currently have zero 9mm. Two weeks ago only 1 of the 5 stores had any, and their policy was that you couldn't buy more than 2 packs a day. The second day I went back and then their policy become only 1 per day. Day #4 they were totally out and have been ever since with no ETA as to when they'll get more. Never seen anything like it. Heard horror stories of SEVERE price gouging as well, though luckily the store I purchased from wasn't doing that.

[bpm2000]

I have the mini comp on my mini as do some others out there.         

I think it does slightly reduce the muzzle rise but as others have said does not really reduce felt recoil.             

[insp808]

I have the mini comp on my mini as do some others out there.         

I think it does slightly reduce the muzzle rise but as others have said does not really reduce felt recoil.             

Thanks. That was the one I went with in the end, so I'm looking forward to it arriving.

Asylum9:
Do you happen to have a recommendation on a specific recoil pad? I know they're pretty universal generally speaking but not sure what applies specifically to the Scorpion OEM stock and what doesn't. My firearm experience has been limited for non-pistols (had a CZ75B for years but that's it) so I'm not sure which kind is the "correct" sort of pad.

[bang bang]

Because my wife/children are both inexperienced and small physically speaking. So I want to minimize recoil for them in particular.

OK. Just wanted to know it wasnt something else. 

I get being smaller than "normal" whatever that is, but what i also found out and experience, its not just the size but the lack of muscle strength.

So, eventually over time and with more practice/range time, you or they may see the recoil issue as a non issue.

also, over time they will learn and become better shooters.  Follow up shots will be moot eventually.

Also, how they learn to deal with the recoil can make a difference too.

> what is "comfortable"?

So that a child is better able to have follow-up shots/minimize intimidation.

im not sure what you mean by "comfortable" but you may want to look at the real world issue and try to make adjustments. 

If all you want do is to remove the faux suppressor and attach a break, then go for it, but i would be checking on the barrel length to make sure it wont be an SBR.  Also, the last time i checked or read the laws, if the faux suppressor is part of the barrel (welded ), then its measured as such.  But if you can screw on/off your break and its not permanently fixed into place, it will change that measurement.

I haven't done it yet, but yes, reading online you can get it off. I also wanted it off because it seems weird to me to put something on it solely for the sake of aesthetics and zero functionality, which this faux suppressor seems to fit into. A muzzle brake could act as a good alternative in terms of both aesthetics and functionality (minimizing recoil, even if there isn't much to begin with) I think.

good luck

Thanks man.
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If thats what you want to do, go for it.  For the most part when i started to see the faux cans on guns was to bring an SBR into a rifle category.  also, fixing a stock to not function as a folder or visa versa.  Depending on what was intended.

but my main concern was the barrel length.

have fun.