Rami BD - Hold on or let go ?

[3502dav]

Hi everyone ,

Been reading about the Rami being discontinued.  Have Been contemplating for a while of offloading it but wonder if it may become an icon like a H&K P7 series down the road. Maybe I am way off base but curious on everyone’s thoughts.

If this has been discussed before admins please delete.

Dave


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[Earl Keese]

I don't know if I see it becoming an icon, but I can't bring myself to sell mine. Whenever I start thinking about replacing it with a P365XL, I put some rounds through the Rami.

[alp3367]

 It's pretty hard to predict that sort of thing. If you want to keep it do so. If you're thinking of it as an investment sell it and put that money in the S&P500, as that has basically outperformed any firearms investment over time, but you can't shoot or hold that.

[Fuzzy Sights]

Think it comes to fundamentals.  Does the RAMI fill a need in your collection.  Have a SIG 239 that I will never sell.  When I need a carry gun with 357 Sig power it is my choice.  Don't use it that often and only practice with it once a year or so, but it performs every time. 

Good luck on your decision.

JW

[MeatAxe]

I don't know if I see it becoming an icon, but I can't bring myself to sell mine. Whenever I start thinking about replacing it with a P365XL, I put some rounds through the Rami.

I have dallied with the P365XL with a rds and a Streamlight...I liked the rds and the light, but I’m going back to the Rami after I send it to CGW. Both guns are almost the exact same size, but the Rami is vastly superior in ergos, trigger and build quality. Plus the P365XL has a lot of critical internal parts made out of cheap plastic. Not at all confidence inspiring.

[matto]

I have dallied with the P365XL with a rds and a Streamlight...I liked the rds and the light, but I’m going back to the Rami after I send it to CGW. Both guns are almost the exact same size, but the Rami is vastly superior in ergos, trigger and build quality. Plus the P365XL has a lot of critical internal parts made out of cheap plastic. Not at all confidence inspiring.

My problem with the Rami is that it's not actually *that* much lighter or smaller than  my P-01.   Yet it has only a 3.0" barrel.

Yes the P365/XL is plastic, but with that you get a gun thst is significantly lighter, and thinner - and yet somehow has the same barrel length of a P-01 (3.7"). And I actually like the P365/XL erogs.   

What I don't like about the P365/XL is that it has nothing you can "thumb" when holstering, has a fully tensioned striker, and the striker has a single point of failure that if it breaks will defeat all the internal safeties and the gun would fire (unlike a glock which has a partially tensioned striker and multiple redundant, independent internal safeties)

I'm still in the quest to find a hammer fired micro to replace the P365/XL pair.  Maybe I shouldn't dismiss the rami.  Also considering a Springfield XDE but have yet to find one to look at.

[3502dav]

Part of dilemma is having a PCR also.  Both fit the same role and I notice zero difference in how they carry. Maybe it’s in my head but I shoot the PCR better, maybe because of the greater sight radius. 


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[matto]

I shoot shoot SP-01 and P-01 better than any of my other guns.  I spent a while trying to understand why and I realized that there's something about the ergonomics of the grip and trigger that allow me to pull the trigger without disturbing the sights.

Even when I'm a little sloppy and slap at the trigger, or don't focus on support hand grip, the sights don't get disturbed that badly. The grip and trigger forces just cancel out due to some kind of lucky equilibrium. 

But it's not because I'm an expert shot.   I struggle to keep alignment when pulling the trigger on other guns, my Beretta LTT 92 being the worst.  I spent an hour one day trying to shoot that bleep thing accurately, and eventually quit frustrated. I then picked up my P-01 and shot 5 bullets dead center of the target.  I was like bleep, this gun just works for me.

I'm actually surprised at how well I shoot the P365 as well. Being such a tiny gun I thought it would be a disaster.  But I also shoot it really well. I couldn't believe it.

[MeatAxe]

I have dallied with the P365XL with a rds and a Streamlight...I liked the rds and the light, but I’m going back to the Rami after I send it to CGW. Both guns are almost the exact same size, but the Rami is vastly superior in ergos, trigger and build quality. Plus the P365XL has a lot of critical internal parts made out of cheap plastic. Not at all confidence inspiring.

My problem with the Rami is that it's not actually *that* much lighter or smaller than  my P-01.   Yet it has only a 3.0" barrel.

Yes the P365/XL is plastic, but with that you get a gun thst is significantly lighter, and thinner - and yet somehow has the same barrel length of a P-01 (3.7"). And I actually like the P365/XL erogs.   

What I don't like about the P365/XL is that it has nothing you can "thumb" when holstering, has a fully tensioned striker, and the striker has a single point of failure that if it breaks will defeat all the internal safeties and the gun would fire (unlike a glock which has a partially tensioned striker and multiple redundant, independent internal safeties)

I'm still in the quest to find a hammer fired micro to replace the P365/XL pair.  Maybe I shouldn't dismiss the rami.  Also considering a Springfield XDE but have yet to find one to look at.

That sounds like a good reason to get rid of the P365XL - “goes off” if one part in the striker assembly fails - a potential fate worse than death with appendix carry.

To each his own, I suppose. For me, the Rami is much easier to conceal and bring into play than my P-01, with equal capacity. The 365XL I’ve found to be a collection of niggles and problems that need to be corrected. Then when I took it apart and saw all the critical parts made out of flimsy plastique, that was enough. Admittedly, I bought the 365XL on a whim because it was cheap at the time and had a Romeo 0 rds. The rds concept - not the plastic Romeo itself - is good, along with a weapons light. The rest of it, they can have. You look on Sig forums, there continue to be tons of people with problems with the 365.

CZ pistols just work better for me, all the way around.

[matto]

That sounds like a good reason to get rid of the P365XL - “goes off” if one part in the striker assembly fails - a potential fate worse than death with appendix carry.

Yeah, after seeing the video below I renewed my interest in replacing my P365 & XL. It would be easier if I didn't shoot them so well, and they've been perfectly reliable.

I also learned more about my existing guns and discovered that my Ruger SR9C has basically the same system as a glock - partially tensioned striker and independent internal safeties. And better yet, the loaded chamber indicator can be thumbed as a striker control device.   It's very close in size and weight to a Rami, so I might make it my new "small" gun.  And if I need something truly micro there's always my Ruger LCP.

https://youtu.be/_D03ms4E3VI

[MeatAxe]

That sounds like a good reason to get rid of the P365XL - “goes off” if one part in the striker assembly fails - a potential fate worse than death with appendix carry.

Yeah, after seeing the video below I renewed my interest in replacing my P365 & XL. It would be easier if I didn't shoot them so well, and they've been perfectly reliable.

I also learned more about my existing guns and discovered that my Ruger SR9C has basically the same system as a glock - partially tensioned striker and independent internal safeties. And better yet, the loaded chamber indicator can be thumbed as a striker control device.   It's very close in size and weight to a Rami, so I might make it my new "small" gun.  And if I need something truly micro there's always my Ruger LCP.

https://youtu.be/_D03ms4E3VI

Yeah, I’m sure Ron Cohen et al put their heads together and calculated how many cents per unit saved with this design & plastic parts vs. tens of dollars profited per unit vs. product liability lawsuit expenses and came up with this internal “safety” system. Of course, this is the gun manufacturer that uses their customers as beta testers...

The similar 320 has a well documented history of discharges when dropped.

[Vinny]

Yes, I have a P365 for Pocket-Carry, but I too prefer DA/SA.

When SIG disco'd the P239, stores were discounting them to clear the inventory.
Now...a couple years later, used prices have gone way up; and folks who own them won't part with 'em.

Personally, I think the RAMI is such a unique pistol; and still among the smallest DA/SA with 10+1. It just fits my hand like a glove; and  Yeah, at 1.25" across the grip, it's not exactly svelte; but certainly not as chubby as some other sub compact DA/SA's like say a PX4sc.

However, I did send mine off to CGW to add an RMR; and that little RAMI now shoots unbelievably accurately at distances well beyond what a 3" barrel should. I'm sure not going to part with mine.  -YMMV

[ATXCZFan]

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I'm still in the quest to find a hammer fired micro to replace the P365/XL pair.  Maybe I shouldn't dismiss the rami.  Also considering a Springfield XDE but have yet to find one to look at.

How about the HK P30SK? It is has a similar profile to the Springfield (shorter but thicker), but is a lot more refined. I'm also a fan of the da/sa sub compacts, and so far, even though it isn't my favorite to carry, the RAMI is by far my favorite to shoot.

[Flip18]

I bought my BD last year at my LGS because I could not pass up the deal....$370 OTD used, maybe a box of ammo of usage. Box, manuals.....I would not sell this pistola for less than twice that amount. Nothing on the shelf like this CZ. Will become a classic.

[3502dav]

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I'm still in the quest to find a hammer fired micro to replace the P365/XL pair.  Maybe I shouldn't dismiss the rami.  Also considering a Springfield XDE but have yet to find one to look at.

How about the HK P30SK? It is has a similar profile to the Springfield (shorter but thicker), but is a lot more refined. I'm also a fan of the da/sa sub compacts, and so far, even though it isn't my favorite to carry, the RAMI is by far my favorite to shoot.

The P30SK is a nice gun.  The DA/SA variants decocking mechanism is way different than any I’ve seen in that it’s a small button/lever at the back of the slide/frame. I have the DA only in LEM 1 config.


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