P-07 or P-10 C in .40 S&W??

[Rorge Retson]

I've been looking high and low for a P-07 or P-10 C in .40 S&W, to no avail.   

I know production of these pistols in 40SW was very limited, but I can't seem to find any! 

I've looked at Gunbroker, LGSs, pawn shops, etc... nothing!   

Have you guys seen them anywhere?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

The P-07 in .40 was discontinued in 2018 but if you watch the internet and local shops in your area you will sooner or later run across one. The P-10 in .40 does not exist. There were rumors that one might be in the pipeline in the P-10's infancy but CZ has pretty much abandoned that cartridge.

[Fuzzy Sights]

Just recently picked up a P-07 in 40.  Took three months to find, but very well worth it.  Good luck on your search.

JW

[Porcupine]

I’d submit to you that currently .40 is just as readily available as 9MM.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Yes here in the US .40 ammo is still about as easy to get as 9mm but like it or not it's a dying round in the mainstream and CZ knows that which is why they dropped it from their line up. Manufacturers like S&W continue to produce guns in .40 since they were already tooled up for it. I've seen some pretty good deals on .40 S&W pistols even as of late so they are out there. Not long back I saw a Sig P239 in .40 for under $450 while the same gun in 9mm was priced at $700 if that brings things into perspective as to what's going on.

[M1A4ME]

I'm one of those guys who watches videos of OIS whenever I find them.  I'm amazed at how many times LEOs fire their weapons when stopping someone.

I know, I hear it's as good as anything else and it's all about bullet placement.  I know sometimes LEOs do a very good job stopping someone with just 2 or 3 rounds (no idea how many were hits but at least they didn't run the 17 or 19 rounds empty and reload to finish the fight).

I'm old enough to remember the first time the FBI said the 9MM was better, or just as good, as anything else.  I'm also old enough to remember that didn't work so well for them, or a lot of other LEOs.

I carry a 9MM every day.  Well almost.  But I'm not in the job of wearing it for a living.

I reload so I'm not having any issues finding ammo.  Don't expect I will either, not for a few years, maybe not ever.

[Rorge Retson]

Thanks guys.  Finally got my P-07 in .40.  Immediately bought two 9mm barrels.  One will stay 9mm, the other will be rechambered into .357 Sig, so this one P-07 will shoot three calibers.

Now I'm off to find the even-more-rare P-10 C in .40.  Wish me luck! 

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I'm old enough to remember the first time the FBI said the 9MM was better, or just as good, as anything else.  I'm also old enough to remember that didn't work so well for them, or a lot of other LEOs.

I don't recall them saying that until recently when they ditched the .40 S&W. I do recall the 86 shootout that sparked all this caliber nonsense. Several of those agents were carrying revolvers and most of the rounds fired never hit their intended targets. The perps were mortally wounded but no one got a head shot that would actually have shut them down immediately. The aftermath of the brought about the short lived S&W 10mm guns model 1006 and 1076 which was going to cure their wrongly perceived caliber deficit. Problem was small framed and small handed shooters couldn't control that 10mm pistol which prompted S&W to produce the .40 on beefed up 9mm frames. Obviously the .40 was easier to shoot than the 10mm for most. Finally someone started teaching the federal fuzz that you actually have to place a round in a meaningful place on the bad guy or they will just keep shooting back at you because the simple fact is no matter the caliber you are shooting when you're dealing with a bad guy on a massive adrenaline dump and intent on continuing the fight you either stop the heart in it's tracks or scramble the egg. Shot placement is the key.
The caliber debate will never end but the fact is there are people who have survived high powered rifle rounds and there are those who have died from a single pop from the lowly .25 ACP.

[M1A4ME]

Got a book (somewhere) that I bought at a Street Survival seminar our Chief sent two of us to back in the early 80s.

Lots of pictures and incident reports.

One picture is of a guy lying on the slab in the mortuary shot either 17 or 19 times with 9MM before a State Trooper sneaked up on the guy and shot him in the heat with a 12 ga/00 buckshot. 

Another is a motorcycle gang hit man that tried to kill an IL State Trooper.  He missed the Trooper.  The two troopers in the car hit him 11 or 12 times and he walked to his bike, got on it and was trying to get it started when he fell over dead.

Yeah, the FBI shootout.  One of the agents was on an FBI competition pistol team.  He hit one of the bad guys (as the guy was getting out of his car after another FBI agent/car had run them off the road) with two 9MM hollow points right under the left arm.  The bullets failed to make it to the heart although one did cut an artery that would have resulted in the armed robbery suspect being dead at the scene.  But not till after he'd killed a couple FBI agents, crippled one for life, wounded one or two more.  He was killed by the agent he'd shot through the arm/wrist (crippled for life) at spitting range with the agents .38 special and head shots as he'd gotten his wounded partner into one of the FBI cars and was attempting to start it and leave.

Yeah, we never considered the 9MM (we got all the reports, annual and monthly of police officers killed, officer involved shootings, etc.) and we went with the .357 magnum and 125 grain hollow points. 

I'm not saying the FBI didn't get it right this time.  Maybe they did.  I'm just saying I remember the first time they said it and some of the results.

I can't say a .40 is any better.  But it is a bigger bullet.  And some of them shoot so darned good.

[kb377]

I can't say a .40 is any better.  But it is a bigger bullet.  And some of them shoot so darned good.

I was involved in a fatal OIS using my issued G22 .40 w/ 180gr HST. The suspect was wanted by the USMS for Meth Trafficking, had meth/heroine in his system, and was using his car as a weapon against me and another officer (he also had a handgun and an AR15 in the car). I put three rounds through the windshield into his chest...he had no reaction except to cut a donut in the car (I was sure I'd missed). He came back at me a second time (at a 45 degree angle), and I fired four more rounds...first one hit the hood in front of the windshield, second hit the A pillar right in front of the driver, third went through his upper arm into his chest, and fourth landed behind his left ear...that was the showstopper. I was later told by the Coroner that the first three rounds killed him...his body just didn't know it was dead yet. I retired from that agency and now work for another that doesn't issue weapons...each officer purchases their own and carries whatever handgun/caliber they choose (within reason, of course). I now choose to carry a 9mm with the issued 135gr. Critical Duty (P10C, naturally  ), and I don't feel disadvantaged.