Subcompact DA/SA

[Rcher]

One of the unique small guns is Walther P99c AS.
It is striker gun, but with DA/SA, it's the only striker which is possible to cock and decock.

Unfortunately, it's a rare gun, hard to find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCroXl1Y22U

[MeatAxe]

One of the unique small guns is Walther P99c AS.
It is striker gun, but with DA/SA, it's the only striker which is possible to cock and decock.

Unfortunately, it's a rare gun, hard to find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCroXl1Y22U

Interesting!

The FN 509 has a DA/SA striker set up as well, though no ability to decock it. After racking the slide, the first trigger pull is longish and subsequent pulls about half as long after reset. Along with the hinged “safety” trigger, it seems very safe to carry with a round in the chamber.

However, IMO, nothing beats a good hammer-fired DA/SA trigger pull, especially if you run into a hard primer.

[Claymore504]

I do not view the Rami as a dud at all. It is pretty much the same size as the legendary Glock 26/27. I owned a Rami for a while and liked it, but decided my M&P Shield got carried more and sold off the Rami. Now, before I got the Rami I had never heard of it and 99% of people that got to check it out at the range had never heard of it either.

[MeatAxe]

I do not view the Rami as a dud at all. It is pretty much the same size as the legendary Glock 26/27. I owned a Rami for a while and liked it, but decided my M&P Shield got carried more and sold off the Rami. Now, before I got the Rami I had never heard of it and 99% of people that got to check it out at the range had never heard of it either.

The Rami is also the same size as the Sig P365XL and the FN 509c, but with better ergos and trigger.

Now that Leupold started producing the Delta Micro red dot, which mounts low like a ghost ring on the rear sight dovetail on Glocks and the M&P, hopefully they’ll make a hammer friendly version for CZs.

That way, you wouldn’t have to have your slide custom machined for a rds.

[RoverSig]

I have to throw a vote in here for the Springfield XD-E.  For someone who prefers a DA/SA pistol (with the option of a 1911-like safety), the XD-E is a good choice.   They are not pretty, but they are thin, hold 10 rounds, and are super reliable.   And the trigger is long and deliberate in DA mode (revolver-like) and precise and light in the SA mode.   And they are not expensive, relatively speaking.

I wish CZ would out with a single-stack, 10 round, relatively small (but not so small it lacks reliability) pistol -- call it a RAMI 2.0 if you want -- that would fill this niche.  It would work for a lot of people who prefer DA/SA pistols (including 1911's) for their triggers and inherent safety.  And 10 round magazines may become the limit if gun controllers get their way, making this size pistol a good option.

[Rcher]

From a safety standpoint, in my opinion, an externally visible hammer is still the very best option to see at first glance whether a gun is cocked or not.  The red pin that protrudes when cocked on a Walther P99 is a great safety advantage compared to other striker-fired pistols, but is still not as conspicuous as a cocked hammer.

I agree with you, historically I didn't like striker and "plastic" guns, but to be honest hammer handguns are close to their extinction.
All new models are striker guns, and hammer guns are discontinued one by one. XD-M was the first striker pistol which impressed me with its ergonomics and accuracy, and P99 could be another one - I need to try.

[GRU7_Mike]

I like about every CZ handgun there is ..... except the RAMI.  Just something about it I do not like.  CZ compact or P-01 is my favorite EDC CZ.  P-07 my favorite range CZ, although a P-09 at a good deal would be a consideration.

[MeatAxe]

I like about every CZ handgun there is ..... except the RAMI.  Just something about it I do not like.  CZ compact or P-01 is my favorite EDC CZ.  P-07 my favorite range CZ, although a P-09 at a good deal would be a consideration.

Have you actually shot a Rami? They’re pretty much identical to all CZ75s internally and ergonomically. The short grip can be remedied by an extended floor plate.

I know they may LOOK a little funky until you shoot one - same as all CZ75s - I learned to appreciate the aesthetics once I started shooting them.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I like about every CZ handgun there is ..... except the RAMI.  Just something about it I do not like.  CZ compact or P-01 is my favorite EDC CZ.  P-07 my favorite range CZ, although a P-09 at a good deal would be a consideration.

Have you actually shot a Rami? The short grip can be remedied by an extended floor plate.

And this is EXACTLY the downfall for those of us who don't like the RAMI. If we need to add a floorplate/mag extension to make the gun comfortable too shoot then it becomes no more concealable than a standard compact at that point and the PCR or P-01 are the better option.

[Hammer Time]

And this is EXACTLY the downfall for those of us who don't like the RAMI. If we need to add a floorplate/mag extension to make the gun comfortable too shoot then it becomes no more concealable than a standard compact at that point and the PCR or P-01 are the better option.

Agreed.

[sevt_chevelle]

Yep.
Plus they weigh about the same.

[MeatAxe]

I like about every CZ handgun there is ..... except the RAMI.  Just something about it I do not like.  CZ compact or P-01 is my favorite EDC CZ.  P-07 my favorite range CZ, although a P-09 at a goodw deal would be a consideration.

Have you actually shot a Rami? The short grip can be remedied by an extended floor plate.

And this is EXACTLY the downfall for those of us who don't like the RAMI. If we need to add a floorplate/mag extension to make the gun comfortable too shoot then it becomes no more concealable than a standard compact at that point and the PCR or P-01 are the better option.

Of course, this is a thread about SUBCOMPACT DA/SA pistols. Maybe you guys should start a thread about (barely) compact pistols....

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I like about every CZ handgun there is ..... except the RAMI.  Just something about it I do not like.  CZ compact or P-01 is my favorite EDC CZ.  P-07 my favorite range CZ, although a P-09 at a goodw deal would be a consideration.

Have you actually shot a Rami? The short grip can be remedied by an extended floor plate.

And this is EXACTLY the downfall for those of us who don't like the RAMI. If we need to add a floorplate/mag extension to make the gun comfortable too shoot then it becomes no more concealable than a standard compact at that point and the PCR or P-01 are the better option.

Of course, this is a thread about SUBCOMPACT DA/SA pistols. Maybe you guys should start a thread about (barely) compact pistols....

And when you start adding grip extensions to subcompact pistols to make them fit a man's hands they are no longer SUBCOMPACT so then we could include the no longer subcompact Rami with extension  in that thread too.

[MeatAxe]

I like about every CZ handgun there is ..... except the RAMI.  Just something about it I do not like.  CZ compact or P-01 is my favorite EDC CZ.  P-07 my favorite range CZ, although a P-09 at a goodw deal would be a consideration.

Have you actually shot a Rami? The short grip can be remedied by an extended floor plate.

And this is EXACTLY the downfall for those of us who don't like the RAMI. If we need to add a floorplate/mag extension to make the gun comfortable too shoot then it becomes no more concealable than a standard compact at that point and the PCR or P-01 are the better option.

Of course, this is a thread about SUBCOMPACT DA/SA pistols. Maybe you guys should start a thread about (barely) compact pistols....

And when you start adding grip extensions to subcompact pistols to make them fit a man's hands they are no longer SUBCOMPACT so then we could include the no longer subcompact Rami with extension  in that thread too.

The extended floor plate on my Rami only extends 1/4” lower, which makes the grip 3/4” shorter than my P-01, plus the slide is 1” shorter, so...still subcompact.

But show us on the anatomically-correct doll what the bad Rami did to you to make you hate it so.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I like about every CZ handgun there is ..... except the RAMI.  Just something about it I do not like.  CZ compact or P-01 is my favorite EDC CZ.  P-07 my favorite range CZ, although a P-09 at a goodw deal would be a consideration.

Have you actually shot a Rami? The short grip can be remedied by an extended floor plate.

And this is EXACTLY the downfall for those of us who don't like the RAMI. If we need to add a floorplate/mag extension to make the gun comfortable too shoot then it becomes no more concealable than a standard compact at that point and the PCR or P-01 are the better option.

Of course, this is a thread about SUBCOMPACT DA/SA pistols. Maybe you guys should start a thread about (barely) compact pistols....

And when you start adding grip extensions to subcompact pistols to make them fit a man's hands they are no longer SUBCOMPACT so then we could include the no longer subcompact Rami with extension  in that thread too.

The extended floor plate on my Rami only extends 1/4” lower, which makes the grip 3/4” shorter than my P-01, plus the slide is 1” shorter, so...still subcompact.

But show us on the anatomically-correct doll what the bad Rami did to you to make you hate it so.

We already told you what we don't like. You simply can't handle the fact that the Rami is gone and you can't make others like the same thing as you. You and others like the pistol while others do not and really it's not a hard concept for most of us to understand. There's a reason the market is as diverse as it is.