Problems with the A-01 in new review (not mine)

[newageroman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UED84qEieKE
light primer strikes, and other issues. I'm hoping they would be fixed for the owner. Could it be ammo related?

Another thing he was talking about in comparison was the slide weight and reciprocating mass and lead me to think about a question about load development for my BullShadow slide.
Do you think a heavier bullet would pair better with a heavy slide such as the A-01 or do you think it would be more adventageous to try lighter bullets with the heavier slide. Loading for minor PF?

I had never thought about it the way he explains it but it makes sense. For instance I normally shoot 124 gn bullets, but I am working on lighter 115 and 90 gn bullets now. I think I have some 147gners squirreled away so I might try them if they would pair better. I have all the adjustable springs and such, but I don't really want to get into spring tuning this thing just yet.

[tdogg]

It's tough to say what was causing the malfunctions.  I'm positive that CZC would make it right and then some with regard to any malfunction, especially with their own model.

The light strikes could be a too light main spring.  The reviewer did indicate that the SA trigger pull was lighter than the TS2 which to me indicates it is running a pretty light main spring.  That along with a skeleton hammer could be aggravating the problem.  I agree that paying that much for a gun should warrant 100% reliability.  CZ's are normally so reliable, there must be something off with this gun?

In my experience, the heavier the bullet the softer/slower the recoil impulse feels.  So if you already have a "slower" gun, then you may be best suited to run  a "faster" feeling ammo (lighter).  I have a hard time telling any competitive advantage between my competition loads in my TS0 in 40 between 165 and 185gr projectiles.  There is definitely a difference in felt recoil but I haven't found any difference in speed/accuracy.

Cheers,
Toby

[matto]

I was wondering whether they sold this gun setup with springs for competition with the disclaimer that it'll only work with federal primers. But if that were the case I'm sure the owner would have told the Honest Outlaw that (!?)

If you search you'll find a few posts posts from people with major complaints about the reliably of their A01-LD.   I almost bought one until I saw these posts then decided to wait given how expensive the gun is.  I contacted CZC and was told the standard response:  its the ammo fault, the guns are fine!

Then this video comes out.  Doh.

I also never understood the "blame the ammo" strategy.   Guns get a reputation for being reliable specifically because they can shoot any ammo.   Part of being ultra-reliable is *not* being ammo-picky.

[p09TSO]

I was wondering whether they sold this gun setup with springs for competition with the disclaimer that it'll only work with federal primers. But if that were the case I'm sure the owner would have told the Honest Outlaw that (!?)

If you search you'll find a few posts posts from people with major complaints about the reliably of their A01-LD.   I almost bought one until I saw these posts then decided to wait given how expensive the gun is.  I contacted CZC and was told the standard response:  its the ammo fault, the guns are fine!

Then this video comes out.  Doh.

I also never understood the "blame the ammo" strategy.   Guns get a reputation for being reliable specifically because they can shoot any ammo.   Part of being ultra-reliable is *not* being ammo-picky.

I’m on the same boat. It needs to shoot, and shoot anything. Could be a problem with this particular gun, but this gun is over two grand for that poor performance.


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[battering ram]

Mine has never jammed.  I shoot s&b 115 grain.  Few hundred rounds of flawless function. I bought it along with a Tso.  Both are very very similar on accuracy and recoil.  They feel slightly different in the hand. I’d guess the a01 has less recoil but with the Tso thumb rest they may be equal.  I’m glad to own it.  The reviewer just got a bad one.  They aren’t all bad

[Bossgobbler]

Look at this video. ammo is weak! brass falling at the shooter's feet. Needs hotter ammo or lighter recoil spring.  Light primer strikes are almost always the result of being too lightly sprong.

[falar]

The slide isn't even that heavy so that isn't the issue.

I remember seeing a few posts here or on the BE forums about issues with A01s/Bull uppers so this isn't unheard of.  CZC would make it right I'm sure.

[M1A4ME]

Some things I've read here, but never bothered to try to prove to myself:

1.  going to a lighter hammer spring for single action fire doesn't give you a lot of benefit.  DA ?  Yes.  SA?  Not so much.

2.  powder has a lot to do with recoil.  Faster powders recoil less than slower burning powders.

3.  some pistols require some heavier recoiling loads for break in purposes until the action is working smoother/requires less recoil to function.

[George16]

Look at this video. ammo is weak! brass falling at the shooter's feet. Needs hotter ammo or lighter recoil spring.  Light primer strikes are almost always the result of being too lightly sprong.

Light primer strikes are also due to high primers. Judging from his video, it’s more likely due to high primers because it fires on the second try. The first strike seats the primer to its correct depth and the second strike sets it off.

His ammo is also very inconsistent judging by the distance the brass were ejected. Some of the them flies far while some lands by his feet.

[Ktm45]

Hmm..  so I don’t own an A01 but I do have two Bull Shadows. That being said the way it was explained to me is that the A01 slide IS a Bull Shadow slide with different lettering. What I have found on both of my BS is that changing a recoil spring weights have much less effect on ejection distances vs my SP01, BD, BSA, and others I own. Where my SP01 for example will drop my reloads about 6 feet away with a 14# to 15# away with a 8 or 10#.  Now the distances I just noted most likely not exactly 8 feet or 15 feet but what I’m trying to say is there is a vast difference between the recoil springs on the SP01, BD, and my other oem slides.     Now my Bull Shadows are completely different vs the oem slides. Both of my two slides do not vary much depending on the recoil spring I run...well within reason. I don’t know why the recoil distances remain very close to the same but they do. Personally I don’t use the ejection distances as the rule I follow for a round. I only use muzzle dip. I’m running 13# on my Bulls and 10 and 11 pounders on the full sided oem slides with the except rounds.
I have also found that a Burris FF3 on one BS and just irons on the other recoil feels identical.
     Now I did find on thing to note. On both Bull I run an 11.5 main spring and extended firing pins.......but I do have to run two different firing pin return springs. On one (with optic)  I run the CZC reduced power return spring and it lights everything off every time. The other BS I have to run the CGW SUPER LIGHT fp spring to be 100% reliable. CGW has two different light springs. ( I THINK the lighter spring I run is the Rami spring). It’s a very noticeable sound wise running the super light spring dry firing. I also only dry fire that setup with an o ring.   Both...well all my CZs are done by CZC so they are very consistent build wise.   

So I would try the real light CGW FPS if I was the original poster and it may answer the light strike stuff. I would also just adjust the recoil spring by just going by muzzle dip on the A01......and put some more miles on that thing and see. Also I find the recoil rod on my Bulls like lube/oil.

Just my worthless $.02 🤪

[k38]

This is an old thread, but I just saw that YouTube review with the A01-LD that consistently malfunctioned.  I'm over the 2100 round mark with mine (all cheap--when it was cheap--MagTech and Blazer Brass, mostly 115 gr). Not one single malfunction.  Not one.  That 2 pound SA trigger mentioned makes me suspicious; mine breaks cleanly at about 3 and 3/4.  The light primer strikes and light trigger seem to strongly suggest an overly light mainspring, as mentioned above. Wonder if the owner tweaked it or ordered light from CZC. . .

[newageroman]

I'm bored and just got back to this thread. I've certainly had my fair share of high primers, so maybe that's what it is. I do know I changed my 01 Racegun hammerspring to a stiffer one because of high primers.

Cool to hear that the A-01 uses basically the same slide of my BullShadow.

[George16]

I'm bored and just got back to this thread. I've certainly had my fair share of high primers, so maybe that's what it is. I do know I changed my 01 Racegun hammerspring to a stiffer one because of high primers.

Cool to hear that the A-01 uses basically the same slide of my BullShadow.

High primers are caused by improper reloading. The primer has to be seated between .002-.006” (max of .008”) below flushed according to Dillon.

Of course, if the main spring is too light, it still won’t light off it doesn’t even if the primers are seated at a correct depth.

[Fuzzy Sights]

Honest Outlaw does not reload. All his ammo was factory and he had reliability issues with all three or four types that he used.  Doubt high primers has anything to do with the issues he is describing.  Agree with poster who said that CZ Custom would make it right.  Great company with solid service.

JW