New Shadow 2 extraction problem

[czshadowman]

New Shadow 2 owner and I'm having some extraction problems. I have tried 3 different types of 115 grain factory ammo (CCI blazer, federal, and geco). All 3 have the issue with either of my 3 magazines. What happens is the casing is not pulled out of the barrel all the way and the next round is partially stripped from the magazine jamming up the pistol. I have to push the magazine release, forcibly strip the magazine out, and then the casing either falls out or I have to rack the slide.

I did clean and lube everything properly before taking it to the range both times. 150 rounds each trip, so 300 total through it so far. Out of those 300 rounds, it's failed to extract at least 10 times now. Gun is 100% stock.

The picture is not mine, but my extraction issue looks exactly like what is shown in the top picture linked below.

Any thoughts on what the problem may be? Bad extractor or extractor spring?

https://m.imgur.com/a/S3BsU

[jurek]

Nice double feed malfunction... 

Anyway, first I will check extractor. The best is to strip the slide, remove barrel and guide rod then slide the bullet into breech face. It should stay there, kept by extractor, even if you shake the slide really hard.
I'll also checked the chamber with plunk test, just to see if the bullet easily falls down with gravity once you turn muzzle up.

[timmy75]

strip the slide.
remove extractor, extractor pin and spring.
remove gunk, clean everything and DO NOT LUBE extractor or area around.
leave it dry and check for any unusual wear and tear.
reassemble.

[Rmach]

If the extractor claw looks good but holds an unfired round firmly, you will probably need a heavier extractor spring.  Recently, I had a Canik CZ clone and a CZ75b that had that same problem. After trying a new factory extractor spring in each one, the problem was still happening, but at a reduced rate.  A stronger extractor spring solved the problem in each handgun. Removing the extractor and cleaning the extractor channel did not help my two guns, only a stronger spring did.

[czshadowman]

Do you guys have a recommendation on where I can get a new factory extractor and spring and stronger spring? Even if this isn't the answer, I'd like to have the extra parts on hand anyway. I will be stripping the slide and doing the recommended tests after work.

New to CZ firearms so don't have a good source for parts like what I'm used to. (Glock, Sig and Walther)

Thanks.

[czshadowman]

So just did the first 2 tests recommended by jurek. slide bullet into breach face under extractor and it held the bullet no matter how hard I shook it. Then I did the plunk test. Bullet dropped into chamber and was able to sprin freely in the chamber. Slight tilt caused bullet to fall out. So passed those tests with flying colors. Later tonight I'll remove, inspect, clean, and reinstall extractor.

[jurek]

So just did the first 2 tests recommended by jurek. slide bullet into breech face under extractor and it held the bullet no matter how hard I shook it. Then I did the plunk test. Bullet dropped into chamber and was able to sprin freely in the chamber. Slight tilt caused bullet to fall out. So passed those tests with flying colors. Later tonight I'll remove, inspect, clean, and reinstall extractor.

Interesting results.... 
I was hoping it would fail at least on one...
 

Later tonight I'll remove, inspect, clean, and reinstall extractor.

That seems to be a good idea.

Regarding new parts... I've been using  https://cajungunworks.com/  as my primary source and to be honest never found reason to buy somewhere else.
However if you like you can use these:
https://czcustom.com/
https://shop.cz-usa.com/
https://www.cz-parts.com/

[tdogg]

Is the extractor claw damaged?  Have you dropped the slide (into battery) on an already chambered round?

I'd wonder if the extractor itself is out of spec/chipped and that is why it is slipping off the case rim?  Might warrant a trip to CZ for warranty, or maybe they will send you another under warranty?  I'd call them at minimum and ask if they would be willing to send a replacement out.  It's not too difficult to replace.  I'm sure they will correct it under warranty regardless.  They have been super helpful when I call them and have sent parts to me before under warranty.

Cheers,
Toby

[czshadowman]

Well got the extractor removed. Didn't appear to be damaged in any way, but had a lot of gunk built up on it for only having fired 300 rounds. Cleaned it, the spring, and the extractor channel and reinstalled it dry. Will take it to the range this weekend and if I have further issues, will be calling CZ.

@Tdogg, no never dropped the slide, gun was new and had this issue starting with the 8th round ever fired through it.

[jurek]

I'd wonder if the extractor itself is out of spec/chipped and that is why it is slipping off the case rim? 

That's why we insert round directly on the breech face, under the extractor. If the round was kept there - extractor claw and spring was OK.

[czshadowman]

Wanted to close the loop on this one, but the issue has gone away. Only things done were removing, cleaning and reinstalling the extractor. Also loaded all 3 magazines fully and let them sit 4 days. Ran through all 3 magazines multiple times yesterday and not a single issue.

My guess is that removing and cleaning the extractor is what fixed it. The amount of gunk on that thing was crazy for only having 300 rounds through it.

Thanks again everyone, and I have ordered a few parts to keep handy.

[jurek]

timmy75 won the great price   

[Tok36]

Thank you for the follow up czshadowman, we all learn from this stuff.

[timmy75]

timmy75 won the great price   

I've made an experiment with my S2. Lubed the extractor intentionally.  700 rounds is the best I can do without FTE, N320 powder.
Without lubing it can do 2000 rds easily.

[tdogg]

Timmy,

When you say don't lube it, you leave it completely dry?  How about the spring?  That's interesting because I had two failures to feed at my last match that I thought were nose dives but could very well could have been do to a gunky extractor on the breach.

I was on the clock and didn't have time to inspect what was going on.  I normally just lube the spring but I'm sure some of that lube makes it down the extractor channel.

Cheers,
Toby

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