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NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« on: August 25, 2021, 12:01:47 PM »
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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2021, 12:18:31 PM »
Sad to see the NRA in such decline.  Both sides to fight to a Pyrrhic victory.  No matter who wins we will loose our 2A rights.  Wayne has served well, but for too long.  He has not done one of the most important duties of an executive officer, build a cadre of personnel who can replace himself and know when it is time to go.  Opposition lacks a clear vision of where it wants to go and have a solid plan of how to get there, and with who at the helm.

Like America itself, NRA can only be destroyed from within, and they are doing a great job of it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2021, 11:44:49 AM »
Wow I’m saddened they are heading this way. Maybe they need some new leadership to spice it up and bring it bavk

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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2021, 12:07:53 AM »
Wayne has served well, but for too long.  He has not done one of the most important duties of an executive officer, build a cadre of personnel who can replace himself and know when it is time to go. 

This is how tyrannical dictators, not servant leaders, operate.  Wayne hasn't served -- he's ruled and lorded.  Members are his serfs and staff that is promoted are non-threatening minions.  And cronyism appears to have been regularly awarded, and support appears to have been purchased through paying board members or their family members.  The whole thing stinks. 

Any change is better than no change at this juncture.

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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2021, 12:41:37 AM »
Wayne has served well, but for too long.  He has not done one of the most important duties of an executive officer, build a cadre of personnel who can replace himself and know when it is time to go. 

This is how tyrannical dictators, not servant leaders, operate.  Wayne hasn't served -- he's ruled and lorded.  Members are his serfs and staff that is promoted are non-threatening minions.  And cronyism appears to have been regularly awarded, and support appears to have been purchased through paying board members or their family members.  The whole thing stinks. 

Any change is better than no change at this juncture.

   This aligns with my current read on the subject. I read the legal case against Wayne, and i am unclear how he can justify all of the charges against him and his inner circle. My intent is not to convey that he has not done any good in his tenure but it is looking like greed got the best of him. It is a darn shame that it went this way.
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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2021, 06:11:21 AM »
   This aligns with my current read on the subject. I read the legal case against Wayne, and i am unclear how he can justify all of the charges against him and his inner circle. My intent is not to convey that he has not done any good in his tenure but it is looking like greed got the best of him. It is a darn shame that it went this way.

Agree.  And at this juncture he's hurting gun owners more than he's helping. 

Just imagine if the NRA was a well-funded and organized during the 2020 Election as they were during 2016.  It may have been the difference in keeping Biden out of the White House and all the crap we're now dealing w/ with Chipman, braces, russian ammo ban, CDC now targeting guns, etc., -- not to mention all the non-related gun stuff that was in better shape w/ the orange man.

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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2021, 11:58:50 PM »
I am not going to put the NRA down but I will say that I am no longer a member.

When I get a phone call or mail from the NRA I send money to the GOA, the Second Amendment Foundation or Texas Gun Rights.

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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2021, 01:48:45 AM »
I am not going to put the NRA down but I will say that I am no longer a member.

When I get a phone call or mail from the NRA I send money to the GOA, the Second Amendment Foundation or Texas Gun Rights.

Look at the Second Amendment Foundation's financials -- typically they spend less than 20% of contributions on litigation...  The rest of the expenditures are to profit companies the principal or his cronies control, including the monthly newsletter.  ccrkba is same deal.

Haven't done a dive into GOA or TGR's financials, having previously been an SAF member/donor BEFORE doing my due diligence, I can't recommend them any more.

National Association/Foundation for Gun Rights seems to be doing the most on the legal front that I've seen -- but again haven't dug into their financials. 

The NRA debacle has highlighted why financials -- putting donors money to work achieving stated goals, instead of lining pockets -- matter.
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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2021, 05:22:58 PM »
My intent is not to convey that he has not done any good in his tenure … .


Can you name three significantly positive accomplishments Pierre has achieved, as head of the NRA, in the past three decades?
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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #9 on: October 26, 2021, 06:12:40 PM »
My intent is not to convey that he has not done any good in his tenure … .


Can you name three significantly positive accomplishments Pierre has achieved, as head of the NRA, in the past three decades?

Positive for whom?

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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2021, 06:22:48 PM »
My intent is not to convey that he has not done any good in his tenure … .


Can you name three significantly positive accomplishments Pierre has achieved, as head of the NRA, in the past three decades?

Positive for whom?


For responsible Americans who opt to keep and bear arms.
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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #11 on: October 26, 2021, 07:01:58 PM »
Well we can allow this debate about the NRA and other groups who "CLAIM" to have our rights and best interest at hand and it is OUR FAILURE for believing that notion that has gotten us to where we are today. People you can send your money to whatever so called advocacy group you've been sucked into believing has your back but when the rubber hits the road they are useless and you better be ready to get with it because it's coming and when it does the NRA,GOA, and the rest won't be anywhere to be found.
The people who started the ball rolling on this great country didn't rely on lobbyist and if there's the slightest chance of saving it lobbyist will have no hand.
I have admittedly supported the NRA and a few others in the past but that has ended and I'll not send anyone another cent that could pay for ammo.

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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2021, 08:15:00 PM »
Well we can allow this debate about the NRA and other groups who "CLAIM" to have our rights and best interest at hand and it is OUR FAILURE for believing that notion that has gotten us to where we are today. People you can send your money to whatever so called advocacy group you've been sucked into believing has your back but when the rubber hits the road they are useless and you better be ready to get with it because it's coming and when it does the NRA,GOA, and the rest won't be anywhere to be found.
The people who started the ball rolling on this great country didn't rely on lobbyist and if there's the slightest chance of saving it lobbyist will have no hand.
I have admittedly supported the NRA and a few others in the past but that has ended and I'll not send anyone another cent that could pay for ammo.

Right on SVPP. When the defecation hits the rotating oscillator, those lobbyists won't do jack. The rate things are going, we won't need lobbyists.

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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2021, 04:14:22 PM »
I heard a question this week that I had not thought of - why is the NRA so quiet on the Kyle Rittenhouse case?
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Re: NRA cancels annual meeting and exhibits
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2021, 02:39:13 AM »
My intent is not to convey that he has not done any good in his tenure … .


Can you name three significantly positive accomplishments Pierre has achieved, as head of the NRA, in the past three decades?

Positive for whom?


For responsible Americans who opt to keep and bear arms.

I will say the NRA ILA and org itself invested heavily in getting Trump elected in 2016, and despite the apparent steal, I think had they engaged again at the same level in 2020, it could have made the difference in getting Trump re-elected.  Instead, they laid off a lot of staff across NRA and NRA-ILA in early 2020 amidst the pandemic.

Granted, the NRA's 2016 election engagement wasn't without controversy and allegations that seem much more credible than the Steele dossier that started that narrative: "NRA Was 'Foreign Asset' To Russia Ahead of 2016, New Senate Report Reveals"
https://www.npr.org/2019/09/27/764879242/nra-was-foreign-asset-to-russia-ahead-of-2016-new-senate-report-reveals

And also apparent corruption/cronyism in political spends: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/13/mystery-firm-nra-consultant-219004/
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In 2016, the NRA’s federal election payments to Starboard ballooned to $40 million, a massive portion of the gun rights group’s total independent spending for the year, which came to almost $53 million. That cycle, when Johnson was defending his Wisconsin Senate seat for the first time, his campaign paid OnMessage almost $4 million. The payments stopped in August. Just over two months later, the NRA aided in the reelection effort, and tapped Starboard for nearly $200,000 in advertising.

The sum the NRA paid to Starboard in 2016 was split between the group’s Political Victory Fund and its Institute for Legislative Action. The transactions paid by the ILA accounted for roughly $23.4 million. Unlike the Victory Fund, a freestanding organization affiliated with the gun group, the ILA is a component of the NRA’s nonprofit corporation, which means its financial records are subject to oversight by the Internal Revenue Service. In the NRA’s tax filings, it is required to disclose its top five independent contractors for any given year, and that includes contractors retained by its divisions, such as the ILA. In 2016, Starboard was not included on the list, even though, based on what it received from ILA, it would have ranked as the NRA’s second highest-earning contractor.

“If Starboard was paid by the Institute for Legislative Action for services, then Starboard was a contractor, and if Starboard was one of the NRA’s largest contractors, then it should be listed on the NRA’s 990,” Marcus Owens, the former head of the IRS division overseeing tax exempt enterprises, said.

As far as the FEC and the public know, OnMessage did no campaign work for the NRA in 2016 — the firm is nowhere mentioned in the group’s filings. More than half of the money the NRA paid Starboard that year, about $25.7 million, was spent in the service of electing Donald Trump to the presidency. After the Republican candidate defeated Hillary Clinton, however, OnMessage celebrated the work it produced for the NRA.

Actually opposing President George W Bush on the continuation of the assault weapons ban was also a success (and a major reversal from a decade prior) and to great benefit to American soldiers as civilian AR refinements found their way to troops at a much greater pace than they would have otherwise...  But that was in 2003: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/us/irking-nra-bush-supports-the-ban-on-assault-weapons.html

The Lawful Protection of Commerce Act under GWB preventing nuisance lawsuits to firearm industry was also pretty significant: https://www.nraila.org/articles/20051026/president-bush-signs-protection-of-br

Stand your ground and concealed carry laws might also be successes, but were state-level work of state affiliates -- so uncertain of how big of role national org played (generally fairly small per my understanding w/ LaPierre just showing up for bill signing photo ops).

And they might have played a meaningful role in a few gun rights lawsuits (don't know to what extent offhand).

Beyond these, I'm drawing a blank on anything major in the past 30 years.

And yes, I agree the NRA's been a dumpster fire in the past few years and the senior "leadership" has primarily served themselves and deserve broad criticism and condemnation.
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