Optics Ready Micro Nines

[Lorenzo]

Various manufacturers are going nuts with this new breed of tiny 9mm pistols and when I read a review the 1st thing everyone MUST HAVE is an optics cut.

This will probably not make me popular... but a Micro Nine is for summer concealment and will likely be used (if ever used at all) at distances of 20-feet-ish. At that distance, under stress, I can almost guarantee I won't notice if the gun HAS sights on it since I'll be target focused anyway.

I'm just not seeing the necessity of an optic on top and 800 lumens of light underneath on a pistol the size of a Sig 365. Seems to defeat the purpose of a small pistol entirely.

[Grendel]

But it's tactical...

[Earl Keese]

But what if you need to take a shot at more than 20 feet? Or you need a refined sight picture quickly?
An MRDS improves potential for success in both of these instances and gives up nothing whatsoever up close. Don't like red dots? No problem, most of the available options come factory with a filler plate and iron sights.
 I agree that hanging a WML on a pocket pistol is getting a little ridiculous, but hey if that melts your butter good for you.

[armoredman]

My P-10S has a removable plate for a RDS, but considering what it's intended use is, I doubt I would ever use it. Plus, it is so dadgum accurate at beyond bad breath distance I don't think I will likely need it.

[Lorenzo]

But what if you need to take a shot at more than 20 feet? Or you need a refined sight picture quickly?
An MRDS improves potential for success in both of these instances and gives up nothing whatsoever up close. Don't like red dots? No problem, most of the available options come factory with a filler plate and iron sights.
I agree that hanging a WML on a pocket pistol is getting a little ridiculous, but hey if that melts your butter good for you.

Talking about a very small pistol for personal protection, but you can still hit consistently at 20 yards with iron sights. Yes, a RDO would improve that IF the shooter practices with it and masters it. If it's far enough away that I can't hit it with iron sights I probably don't need to shoot at it.

WML? For home defense, absolutely. I keep a 600 lumens light on my bedside gun, but if I'm carrying that pistol I take the light off. I won't be clearing houses or chasing someone into the darkness. I will distance myself from a threat rather than go after it.

[Lorenzo]

But it's tactical...

There is that...

My P-10S has a removable plate for a RDS, but considering what it's intended use is, I doubt I would ever use it. Plus, it is so dadgum accurate at beyond bad breath distance I don't think I will likely need it.

We are in agreement.
There is no doubt that if you train with the optic you will be more accurate, faster, but how many times have you seen someone moving the pistol around looking for the dot?

[Earl Keese]

"but how many times have you seen someone moving the pistol around looking for the dot?"

About as often as I see people miss with irons. You have to train to be accurate with both. You say that a mico 9 is for "summer concealment". That's your assumption, truth is that with the increased capacity of current offerings, many people choose them as their primary carry pistol. I don't see a problem with additional sight options.

[YRlord56]

Most people want an optics-ready pistol... life is easy. 

[Lorenzo]

You say that a micro 9 is for "summer concealment". That's your assumption, truth is that with the increased capacity of current offerings, many people choose them as their primary carry pistol.

True. Personally, these things are a bit small for my hands, not much real estate on the grip for my support hand. Not particularly enjoyable to practice with. If weather is appropriate for a hoodie or a light jacket I'll carry something I feel more proficient with. (Remove light, insert flush-fit magazine).

[MeatAxe]

If a OEM RDS optics-ready feature (and light / laser rail) is your determinant factor
for choosing a subcompact pistol (though striker fired), you might give the FN 509c a good look. Takes an RMR size optic and has very good ergos, too.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhdq8cB5CWc

[jesuvuah]

I am proficient with a RDS.  I am also proficient with iron sights.

I feel perfectly confident making a good shot out to 25yrds with irons.  With a RDS, it probably extends it out to 50 yards.

In truth, a RDS really brings nothing to the table up close, say 5 to 10 yards, at least for me.  Up close I stay threat focused even with irons and I basically look through the sights/ghost sight picture....whatever you want to call it.  It works especially well with a high viz front sight, and is kind of like a poor man's red dot.  The red dot doesn't hinderme in anyway either.

So I guess I am fine with either, and I have carry guns with and without.

With all of that being said, I will never put a RDS or light on my p365.  My only purpose in having that pistol is to have a lightweight ultra compact gun with some legitimate fire power.   For me, if I am going to add all of that stuff to my 365, I might as well just grab my g19.

I have been running red dots on handguns for at least 5 years, and I still don't know if I am completely sold on them.  I do like that companies are giving you the option now though.

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[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Most people want an optics-ready pistol... life is easy. 

So you obviously have an actual number you can put on this? A percentage? I know as many people that like RDS as do not. I entertained trying one and thankfully I get free range rentals with my membership so I recently tried a couple of the rental RDS equipped pistols they have. Didn't really care for it over irons so I saved myself some money. As far as micro pistols go they're great for those who like them. They're too small for me. Having a diverse market is good.

[Tinker Black]

I think the general idea is, if you add a RDS, WML, extended mag, grip sleeve, threaded barrel & comp to your micro-9, is it still micro?

It kind of reminds me of when Cooper Mini released their Clubman station wagon. If your Cooper is the same size as a regular car, is it still Mini?

Also of how whenever phone companies release a new flagship model, their owners make a big deal about how it's 0.1mm thinner, then proceed to buy & carry them in big all-weather/submersible cases like Otterbox.

The Glock 43X & 48X MOS are very popular right now, b/c they have pic rails and are optic-ready. I've seen owners post photos of theirs w/ red dots & rail lights installed. By that point, I think, "You've pretty much negated the size advantages they have over a G19."

[Lorenzo]

Up close I stay threat focused even with irons and I basically look through the sights/ghost sight picture....whatever you want to call it.  It works especially well with a high viz front sight, and is kind of like a poor man's red dot.

That's how I have always done it. Not an issue putting the hits where I want them.

With all of that being said, I will never put a RDS or light on my p365.  My only purpose in having that pistol is to have a lightweight ultra compact gun with some legitimate fire power. For me, if I am going to add all of that stuff to my 365, I might as well just grab my g19.

That's what I was thinking when I started this discussion. When deciding on a Micro Nine, being optics ready or having a pic rail is inconsequential to me.

[Tanners Owner]

I am not opposed to it to be honest. While I am not a convert, I have 2 RDS enabled guns- both have a second slide kitted with a RDS. (Sig 320& 365)

That said, I predominantly shoot with iron sights and haven’t drunk the RDS kool-aid fully yet. More of dabbling with them.

I don’t view the 365 RDS as any impediment to carry IMO. It carries same as w/othe RdS

What I do like is the option of having a RDS or not & that flexibility is what many view as advantageous

My 2 cents