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Offline Roscoe2212

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One hand or two?
« on: September 16, 2021, 10:39:44 AM »
When I was active in shooting, some decades ago, we shot slow fire one handed.  I don't see anybody doing that now.
Am I missing something?  I think one handed was a requirement for some competitions-is that true?  Problem is, us
geezers can't hold the sight spot single handed very well, if at all 8)


Offline Earl Keese

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2021, 02:32:10 PM »
Bullseye competition isn't very popular anymore, especially with the under 60 crowd.

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2021, 02:49:56 PM »
Check out Joe L's posts in 'A Day at the Range' subforum
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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2021, 03:37:03 PM »
Just yesterday a friend and I play at the range. We play follow the leader, flip a coin to see who goes first. The game is played like the basketball game of horse and shooting steel works best for this game. first shooter picks the target and shoots if he hits it the next shooter must or they get a letter, first shooter picks where you stand and how you shoot. we shoot mostly one handed both strong and weak. you can substitute a dollar for a letter, I lost 4 bucks.
 

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2021, 03:41:06 PM »
When I was active in shooting, some decades ago, we shot slow fire one handed.  I don't see anybody doing that now.
Am I missing something?  I think one handed was a requirement for some competitions-is that true?  Problem is, us
geezers can't hold the sight spot single handed very well, if at all 8)

Some of us old geezers are still trying to perfect our single hand skills.  I've seen young shooters declare its too difficult to shoot single handed after 20 rounds and go to two handed. 

Bullseye is still shot single hand standing, unsupported at 25 and 50 yards outdoors.  For me, bullseye is the most difficult shooting discipline I have ever attempted.  I've even tried it weak handed only, when I was recovering from shoulder surgery. 

The younger shooters seem to be attracted to run and gun instead of something that looks boring to them and which takes a tremendous amount of discipline and patience.  Old school bullseye just doesn't seem to appeal to impatient drama lovers.  But my own personal opinion is that young shooters simply think standing perfectly still and hitting a small target 50 yards away with a handgun is too difficult a challenge for them to even bother with.  And they won't consider that maybe refining their single hand standing skills will translate in to helping them with run and gun also.  It does.  A lot of new young shooters simply can't grasp the concept of learning to move the trigger without moving the gun.  All experienced bullseye shooters do.  All experienced long distance precision shooters do.

Mentally, us old geezers generally have the patience, time, and interest to learn to shoot bullseye style well.  But our challenges are physical, such as steadiness, stamina, and eyesight.  The younger shooters like the tension and excitement of run and gun, the older ones like the challenge of a traditional skill, common to most shooting disciplines.

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2021, 04:06:20 PM »
Ok, thought maybe I had missed something.  Glad to hear one hand is still the bullseye classic.  Now to develop enough
physical strength to be able to do it again.  50 yards is not available to me at the moment, but 20 is far enough.  I have a 97E coming soon, will be looking to get back to 45 serious shooting. 8)

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2021, 04:20:45 PM »
Ok, thought maybe I had missed something.  Glad to hear one hand is still the bullseye classic.  Now to develop enough
physical strength to be able to do it again.  50 yards is not available to me at the moment, but 20 is far enough.  I have a 97E coming soon, will be looking to get back to 45 serious shooting. 8)

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2021, 04:38:18 PM »
My main competition venue is USPSA, and depending on the match/stage designers it is not uncommon to have a stage or two that requires SHO or WHO shooting.  But I’d say 95% or more of the shots are going to be “freestyle” meaning its up to the shooter to decide if they are going to shoot one handed or two (99.999% will shoot 2-handed when given the choice). 

I used to shoot Bullseye during the winter months to work on my strong hand only shooting fundamentals.  It was good practice, and I learned some skills which I believe carried over to USPSA. 

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2021, 08:57:01 AM »
The younger shooters seem to be attracted to run and gun instead of something that looks boring to them and which takes a tremendous amount of discipline and patience.  Old school bullseye just doesn't seem to appeal to impatient drama lovers.  But my own personal opinion is that young shooters simply think standing perfectly still and hitting a small target 50 yards away with a handgun is too difficult a challenge for them to even bother with.  And they won't consider that maybe refining their single hand standing skills will translate in to helping them with run and gun also.  It does.  A lot of new young shooters simply can't grasp the concept of learning to move the trigger without moving the gun.  All experienced bullseye shooters do.  All experienced long distance precision shooters do.

I'm 55 (a Senior in USPSA) and started in the sport at 52.  I can 100% vouch that all of the above is complete BS from someone who has zero clue about "run and gun"

The fact of the matter is that bullseye pistol appeals to very few because it is repetitive, too narrowly focused, and plain boring.  Most people in gun culture V2.0 (myself included) have no use for shooting sports without a practical focus.

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2021, 09:13:52 AM »
I believe you made my point.  Thanks.
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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2021, 10:28:42 AM »
I believe you made my point.  Thanks.
Ok boomer

Your point was clearly made already: you can't promote your sport without bashing another, more popular one.  One that you clearly know little to nothing about.

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Offline Joe L

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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2021, 11:12:46 AM »
My main competition venue is USPSA, and depending on the match/stage designers it is not uncommon to have a stage or two that requires SHO or WHO shooting.  But I’d say 95% or more of the shots are going to be “freestyle” meaning its up to the shooter to decide if they are going to shoot one handed or two (99.999% will shoot 2-handed when given the choice). 

I used to shoot Bullseye during the winter months to work on my strong hand only shooting fundamentals.  It was good practice, and I learned some skills which I believe carried over to USPSA.

Great point, that is the experience some of the local IDPA shooters had also.  I shot IDPA for 5 years before moving to bullseye just so that I could spend more time shooting.  I enjoyed the shooting time, however.
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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2021, 11:53:31 AM »
Hi Folks !
     Since passing the 70 mark, I find the only "run and gun" I do gets complicated by "TP" shortages, and I do a lot more sitting these days, LOL ! No  limp wrist problems yet, but single handed groups are definitely starting to open up a bit.
     I'm sure glad I can still laugh it up when the Wife and daughter make "smiley faces" around my flyers though.
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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2021, 12:15:15 PM »

I'm 55 (a Senior in USPSA) and started in the sport at 52.  I can 100% vouch that all of the above is complete BS from someone who has zero clue about "run and gun"

The fact of the matter is that bullseye pistol appeals to very few because it is repetitive, too narrowly focused, and plain boring.  Most people in gun culture V2.0 (myself included) have no use for shooting sports without a practical focus.

I'll admit to being clueless about "gun culture V2.0", but that is all.   Update, not clueless any longer, Michael Bane's terminology. 
« Last Edit: November 03, 2021, 01:57:05 PM by Joe L »
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Re: One hand or two?
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2021, 05:42:39 PM »
I'll admit to being clueless about "gun culture V2.0", but that is all.   Update, not clueless any longer, Michael Bane's terminology.
Still clueless.  It's David Yamane's term for the dominant gun culture that has displaced the fudd world.