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CCW rationale
« on: September 16, 2021, 04:26:37 PM »
  I wonder how many of the apparent many members here, that conceal carry, have actually had to use their gun in a situation where they were  “reasonably in fear for his or her physical safety and they were not able to retreat” as per CCW laws. 
  The way I see it, if you are carrying and a perp comes up to you and puts a gun in your face, you just lost your belongings AND your CCW gun, unless you are John Wick of course. It all really doesn’t make sense to me, as I am no John Wick and don’t want to lose my gun.

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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2021, 05:27:48 PM »
Thank God I’ve never had to use mine, as most don’t. Better to have and never need than to…….
     But…… this “retreat per CCW laws “ thing you talk about means nothing to me. Never heard of that stupid law as I’m allowed to stand my ground to protect mine and my family where I live. [emoji6]
     Hopefully a person pays attention to their surroundings to help prevent a “perp” getting close enuf to put a gun in their face. JMHO, also this topic probably belongs in the Right to Bear Arms section.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2021, 05:34:47 PM »
more than likely a "peep" would aprorach from behind from the shadows and you would never see the impending danger.

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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2021, 05:54:03 PM »
"more" or "less" likely is debatable.  Each of us makes our own assessment of that risk and makes our own decision if/when/how to CCW.

there are plenty of examples out there that don't fit your "most likely" scenario. 

even if your scenario is likely, a CCW mindset may just be enough of an awareness advantage to avoid that scenario altogether, in which my CCW may have passively saved my life just by being there, without me even really knowing. 

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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2021, 06:15:08 PM »
  I wonder how many of the apparent many members here, that conceal carry, have actually had to use their gun in a situation where they were  “reasonably in fear for his or her physical safety and they were not able to retreat” as per CCW laws. 
  The way I see it, if you are carrying and a perp comes up to you and puts a gun in your face, you just lost your belongings AND your CCW gun, unless you are John Wick of course. It all really doesn’t make sense to me, as I am no John Wick and don’t want to lose my gun.


It’s called situational awareness — if you don’t practice it, you shouldn’t be packing. Where ever I go, I’m usually packing, assessing potential threats and positioning myself accordingly. My libtard wife tried to make some half baked statement like “why are you afraid?” I told her I’m not afraid, I just want to kill. Just kidding…sort of.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2021, 06:20:37 PM »
more than likely a "peep" would aprorach from behind from the shadows and you would never see the impending danger.


Situationally aware means you’re head’s on a swivel, at all times assessing threats all around, especially those trying to get the drop on you from behind.

You see videos of idiots in convenience stores, shoving a (clearly visible) pistol in their back waistband — I’m sure feeling secure — and get immediately disarmed when some thug walks up behind them and snatches their gun.
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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2021, 06:31:26 PM »
It improves the odds in my favor. The same way things like fire extinguishers in my house, and air bags in my car. It's not a complete answer, but every little edge helps.
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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2021, 07:07:53 PM »
  I wonder how many of the apparent many members here, that conceal carry, have actually had to use their gun in a situation where they were  “reasonably in fear for his or her physical safety and they were not able to retreat” as per CCW laws. 
  The way I see it, if you are carrying and a perp comes up to you and puts a gun in your face, you just lost your belongings AND your CCW gun, unless you are John Wick of course. It all really doesn’t make sense to me, as I am no John Wick and don’t want to lose my gun.
Never had to use it THANK GOD. That said I carry everyplace I go period. As has been mentioned situational awareness is something everyone should practice. Pay attention to your surroundings, look at who's around you. Anything can happen anytime and the more time you have to assess a situation the better for you. You can't know ahead of time how you'll be attacked simply thinking it will come from behind is not rational since it can come from any direction. Did you see the vid of the guy in New York recently who was surrounded by thug bikers in his BMW. They dragged him from the car, beat him and stole the car. Yes one of them had a gun but the victim did not. Had he been able to take a shot at them things may have been different.  I'd rather be armed even in a surprise attack than to just bend over and take it. I'm not handing any of my belongings over to anyone while I'm breathing and it's just that simple.

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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2021, 07:28:10 PM »
more than likely a "peep" would aprorach from behind from the shadows and you would never see the impending danger.
You do also realize it depends on location. I’ll give you the point that in NY City it’d be a lot easier for a “perp” ( so sorry for offending with my fat fingers typing the wrong spelling on my phone. I will fix it immediately) to come up behind you. Where I live not so much[emoji6] Not saying it can’t happen, just that I always pay attention. More than once I’ve steered my wife away from what I felt may not be a good situation. Was it or wasn’t it??? Who knows, we made it home safe and that’s all I care about.
    As has been said earlier, it’s just another tool to use that may help you.
   
But alas, I have a feeling that this wasn’t a “give me your different opinions, I may disagree with you but I respect your opinion” thread, as much as a “This is my opinion, and all of you are wrong and stupid” thread.
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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2021, 08:26:23 PM »
I agree anyone is susceptible to a surprise attack, but just maybe, you might be able to respond if the attacker makes a mistake and allows you to pull your weapon and neutralize the threat.

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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2021, 11:00:21 PM »
Some people shouldn't carry, that's their decision. As long as they kindly leave me alone to make my own decisions, everything will be fine.

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2021, 09:33:35 AM »
Never had to pull mine.  Great.

But, as the old man at the country store said one time (WW2 vet):  Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Just because you'll never need that spare tire if you don't get a flat while out driving doesn't mean the spare won't be useful to you when/if you do get that flat tire.

Was getting some stuff out of the back of my old truck the other day and noticed the spare tire bolted up to the carrier in the bed.  Darn truck is 16 years old, has a 126,000 miles on it and I've never had to use that spare tire.  I'll keep it in there anyway.
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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2021, 10:26:12 AM »
I feel I have a civic duty to be prepared to deploy a firearm to protect myself or other innocent people.  This comes with the responsibility to be properly trained to the best of my ability.  I also believe in deescalating and avoiding conflict whenever possible.  But if all else fails, I'm prepared to do what is necessary.   
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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2021, 11:01:47 AM »
Well, I carry to protect myself, and family and friends (who ever I am with). Not other innocent people that I dont know. Unless I can do so safely. Thats what the police are for.

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Re: CCW rationale
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2021, 12:06:45 PM »
What the OP describes is one scenario, when in fact a person carrying might encounter any of a number of situations where he/she is happy they were in fact armed.

Any law enforcement officer lives with the same possibility every day- the idea that someone might get the drop on you. But you would certainly prefer being armed in spite of that possibility.
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