CCW rationale

[bonj]

https://abc13.com/robber-shot-customer-shoots-suspect-in-the-face-convenience-store-southeast-houston-shooting/11010519/

This incident happened this month. Someone dropped off the robber, he approached someone walking up to the gas station, pulled up his shirt showing a pistol and demanded the other guys belongings. The would be victim stepped back, pulled his own pistol and shot the robber in the face. The would be victim didn't have to be John Wick, he had the chance to defend himself and he did.

And he'll probably end up spending big bucks on a law suit.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

https://abc13.com/robber-shot-customer-shoots-suspect-in-the-face-convenience-store-southeast-houston-shooting/11010519/

This incident happened this month. Someone dropped off the robber, he approached someone walking up to the gas station, pulled up his shirt showing a pistol and demanded the other guys belongings. The would be victim stepped back, pulled his own pistol and shot the robber in the face. The would be victim didn't have to be John Wick, he had the chance to defend himself and he did.

And he'll probably end up spending big bucks on a law suit.

Some states protect their citizenry from suits like that but either way I'm sure the victim is glad to be alive having the ability to defend himself. If you are under some illusion that simply handing your property over to some skank on the street will instill in them enough compassion as to not harm you then you should research some recent crime stats and see how many unarmed people have been seriously harmed by perps just because they think it's fun to hurt people.

[MeatAxe]

https://abc13.com/robber-shot-customer-shoots-suspect-in-the-face-convenience-store-southeast-houston-shooting/11010519/

This incident happened this month. Someone dropped off the robber, he approached someone walking up to the gas station, pulled up his shirt showing a pistol and demanded the other guys belongings. The would be victim stepped back, pulled his own pistol and shot the robber in the face. The would be victim didn't have to be John Wick, he had the chance to defend himself and he did.

And he'll probably end up spending big bucks on a law suit.

I doubt the victim has big bucks to spend, or lose, in a lawsuit. Put it in front of a jury.

[crosstimbers]

https://abc13.com/robber-shot-customer-shoots-suspect-in-the-face-convenience-store-southeast-houston-shooting/11010519/

This incident happened this month. Someone dropped off the robber, he approached someone walking up to the gas station, pulled up his shirt showing a pistol and demanded the other guys belongings. The would be victim stepped back, pulled his own pistol and shot the robber in the face. The would be victim didn't have to be John Wick, he had the chance to defend himself and he did.

And he'll probably end up spending big bucks on a law suit.

Maybe. But at least he wasnt killed by the robber, which is more important

[bonj]

Good point. Who knows what have happened in the next few seconds. Apparently in Ohio you are supposed to wait for the john wick moment.....

In Ohio, deadly force can be used only to prevent serious bodily harm
or death. Deadly force can never be used to protect property only.
Depending on the specific facts and circumstances of the situation,
use of deadly force may lead to criminal charges and/or civil liability.
Criminal Issues
If law enforcement and prosecutors determine that a person’s use
of deadly force is not justified, criminal charges may be pursued. In
a situation in which the victim is injured by the conduct of a CCW
licensee using a handgun, the licensee can be charged with assault
crimes, including — but not limited to — felonious assault, aggravated
assault, or attempted murder. If the victim is killed as a result of a
CCW licensee’s use of a firearm, the licensee can be charged with
homicide crimes, such as reckless homicide, voluntary manslaughter,
murder, or aggravated murder. (This list does not include all crimes
that may apply.) If the accused licensee is convicted, he or she will be
sentenced to a term of incarceration by a judge, according to the law.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Good point. Who knows what have happened in the next few seconds. Apparently in Ohio you are supposed to wait for the john wick moment.....

In Ohio, deadly force can be used only to prevent serious bodily harm
or death. Deadly force can never be used to protect property only.
Depending on the specific facts and circumstances of the situation,
use of deadly force may lead to criminal charges and/or civil liability.
Criminal Issues
If law enforcement and prosecutors determine that a person’s use
of deadly force is not justified, criminal charges may be pursued. In
a situation in which the victim is injured by the conduct of a CCW
licensee using a handgun, the licensee can be charged with assault
crimes, including — but not limited to — felonious assault, aggravated
assault, or attempted murder. If the victim is killed as a result of a
CCW licensee’s use of a firearm, the licensee can be charged with
homicide crimes, such as reckless homicide, voluntary manslaughter,
murder, or aggravated murder. (This list does not include all crimes
that may apply.) If the accused licensee is convicted, he or she will be
sentenced to a term of incarceration by a judge, according to the law.

If you use deadly force in any state and there are circumstances that contradict your story or the evidence as it presents itself you are subject to and likely will be charged. I was born in OHIO in the mid 60's and have lived here all my life and your interpretation of the law is very poor at best. Maybe you should do some more research or consult a competent attorney. You do know we have a version of SYG as of this year don't you??? THERE"S NO JOHN WICK MOMENT! If you are simply unwilling to carry to defend yourself for whatever reason that's certainly your absolute choice but you have produced no viable nor credible reason why others should follow your lead.

[bonj]

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/Law-enforcement/Concealed-Carry

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I know the law, I've read that 7 ways from sundown. I had to read it as part of the CCW class I took when OHIO first passed the CCW law and I've kept up on the revisions and it does nothing to change my decision to carry. You'll find similarly written laws in every state. So what of it? You are scared to carry that's been established so there's really no point in even continuing this thread. You simply are not providing any evidence why a person should be more afraid of the law than a criminal. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6. Pretty simple math.