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Offline SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM

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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2021, 07:25:10 PM »
What makes the 1911's more accurate than some of the other pistols out there?
Nothing, they are anything but in their stock form and require alot of tuning and adjustment like anything else. From there it's the shooter that needs tuning and adjustment to make the pistol do it's best.
I've owned a junkyard pile of 1911's over the years and none of them were any better than my CZ's and I have some wheel guns that just plain spank them into submission as well.

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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2021, 08:56:35 PM »
What makes the 1911's more accurate than some of the other pistols out there?
Nothing, they are anything but in their stock form and require alot of tuning and adjustment like anything else. From there it's the shooter that needs tuning and adjustment to make the pistol do it's best.
I've owned a junkyard pile of 1911's over the years and none of them were any better than my CZ's and I have some wheel guns that just plain spank them into submission as well.

This.  I had to put a Kart hand fit barrel and bushing in a Desert Eagle 1911 to get it to shoot as accurately at 25, 50, and 100 yards as a stock P-09, P-10F, P-10S, or P-07.  I had to add CGW bushings to a 97B"E" and 75B to get them to shoot as well as  a stock P-09.  But I had to add Sugru and JB-Weld to get my hands and fingers to fit nearly all of the above before I could shoot them all well.  There is a lot more to "accuracy" than the mechanical clearances.  The match between the gun and the shooter makes a big difference.  The 75B design fits a lot of hands very well out of the box.  So do a lot of 1911's.  I had to do a lot of work on the polymer guns and triggers to get a perfect fit for my hands/fingers.  But, mechanically, all the late CZ polymer guns seem to be excellent, in other words, as good as my hand fitted 1911 at less cost. 

So, the "most accurate" CZ for me is a P-09 with some grip modifications.  Second is a 75B with a CGW 10x bushing.  A 97B"E" is more than $1,000.  Knowing how good the Kadet is on a 75B, that alone would have me leaning towards a 75B with a 10x bushing, so that I could add a Kadet kit later on.   I've never owned any of the competition oriented CZ's and probably never will.  The service pistol versions seem to be good out to 100 yards, LOL.   The best day I ever had at 100 yards was with a P-10S, however.  That says something for modern machining and design.  The striker pistols grow on you after a while.   
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2021, 05:36:07 PM »
Maybe I just need to "tweek" my 75SA with some CGW bling and see if I can make a tack driver out of it.  Just don't think I can talk myself into buying a CZ competition gun just to use as a range toy.

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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2021, 05:49:03 PM »
Maybe I just need to "tweek" my 75SA with some CGW bling and see if I can make a tack driver out of it.  Just don't think I can talk myself into buying a CZ competition gun just to use as a range toy.

I've shot many sub 1.5" 50 yard groups with a 75B with 10x bushing and CGW hammer and sear.
CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2021, 05:58:09 PM »
Joe, did the bushing make a big difference in the accuracy of your 75?  I have read it both ways.

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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2021, 07:01:25 PM »
Joe, did the bushing make a big difference in the accuracy of your 75?  I have read it both ways.
My particular 75B had a sloppy factory bushing, as in 4" at 50 yards from a rest on a good day.  I think it was that good, somewhere between 4" and 6".  I've done under 4" at 100 yards with the CGW 10x bushing.  Some factory bushings are pretty good, so the increase in accuracy isn't as great.  Mine was so bad that I just used that 75B frame for a Kadet host.  After the CGW bushing, the 9mm slide with the bushing became my backup centerfire bullseye gun.  So, yes, the CGW 10x bushing will minimize any barrel slop in a 75B slide.  I've never bought a competition ready CZ because my 75B shoots so well that there isn't much room for improvement. 
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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2021, 10:18:30 PM »
Stock sp01 shadow with some polishing and some lighter springs

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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2021, 09:54:44 AM »
What makes the 1911's more accurate than some of the other pistols out there?

The 1911 design isn't any more accurate by its nature, but things have gotten better over the years.

A hundred and ten years of learnin' all the in' and out's.  The AMU goes back to the mid-50's, but there were plenty of military armorers devising all sort of "accurizing" methods, some proven good, some unfortunately  bad.  From the onset, most "accuracy" seen in competition was bullseye, shooting paper for the X ring.  There was no practical or combat shooting back then - except at the enemy or bad guys.

Fast forward - the fairly sloppy fit of slide to frame, barrel to slide (and frame) have been tightened up quite a bit by most manufacturers.  Jeeze, I remember the really, really bad guns we got from Colt in the 70's thru the 80's.  Those barrels were so loose they'd wear out, on the outside, often taking the slide along with 'em.  Just peened up metal from parts that should have been tight, but slammed into each other because they were so loose.  You just don't see that sort of thing too often these days.


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Re: Best shooting CZ for under $1000
« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2021, 11:56:20 PM »
IMO, you need to find a CZ75b that has a good slide to frame fit, good barrel lockup with a snug fitting barrel bushing. They are out there in factory stock form.  With that in mind, install the Mcarbo spring kit with a Dawson fiber optic front sight, and you will have a very accurate CZ that will easily rival a Shadow 2. Total cost will be well under a $1000.

This gentleman has a great idea. A lot of these CZ's are not up to par on quality control. But some of them are awesome right out of the box. I just got lucky on a pcr that has a nice tight slide, reasonably smooth trigger is extremely accurate. I've had about 6 CZ's and 3 of them were nice. But the design of these is brilliant.