To use CGW's Reach Reduction Kit or not?

[cfr]

Greetings.

I recently bought a CGW Pro Package for my SP01 Tactical. Overall very happy with it. However, I sadly didn't realize that the main benefits from the RRK were to be found by manually dropping the hammer all the way down, and not using the decocker to 1/2 cocked.

Is this worth even doing? I can see that it would be a consistent pull all the way through, but it's also now pulling the entire distance with that consistent pull. As opposed to halfway easy and halfway harder.

I've also never been a fan of manually dropping a hammer -- and yes I've seen the vid of the guy doing the thumbnail method.

Also I'm wanting to get into USPSA -- and not sure if manually dropping the hammer is acceptable?

Thanks!

[2morechains]

Manually dropping the hammer is allowed in USPSA. 

[dwhite]

The RRK should not cause the decocker to drop the hammer fully. It should continue to drop to the half-cock position. That is certainly the case in my SP-01 Tactical (as well as my P-01).

If your hammer is dropping fully, then something else is wrong. I'd give CGW a call. They're extremely knowledgeable and helpful.

[tdogg]

I'm not sure I follow your concern?  Does the hammer not stop at the half cock point when decocking the gun?  If not, then there is something wrong with the installation of the pro kit or the gun.

Or do you believe the RRK is only useful if dropping the hammer all the way down?

The RRK (reach reduction kit) is just a hybrid disconnector design that pulls the "at rest" position of the trigger rearward for easy reach with short fingers.  If the gun is half cocked, as when using the decocker, the trigger actuation point will move rearward and give an even shorter reach to start the dual actuation of the hammer.  This is because the disconnector is what is pushing the hammer back to cock it.  There will be the some additional takeup (easy to pull) when at the half cock position but the actuation point (harder to pull) will be farther back because the hammer is partially cocked already.

If you don't have a decocker gun in USPSA you are required to drop the hammer all the way down manually.  The SP-01 Tactical is the perfect gun for USPSA production as you can start decocked at half cock and at the make ready command you are far less likely to have an AD doing so.

Cheers,
Toby

[cfr]

Sorry for the delayed response.

 My understanding, from the printed instructions with the RRK as well as an email from CGW support, is that the RRK is only a benefit when manually dropping the hammer all the way forward. That having it in when using the decocker is effectively useless.

Is that not your understanding? Maybe Im reading these incorrectly.

Assuming I am reading them correctly Im super happy with the trigger overall, but do wish their website mentioned this, and that it wasnt a surprise upon purchase.

[tdogg]

So your saying that when you pull the trigger from fully down to the half cock position, the trigger doesn't move rearward at all (even a little?)?

A video of you doing that very thing would be helpful.

Cheers,
Toby

[cfr]

No. Im saying that the RRK only provides a benefit when the hammer is manually lowered all the way forward. When it’s simply decocked to the half cocked position, the RRK provides no benefit that Im aware of.

The RRK screws are currently not in place, and it would be a day or two before I could put them in and take a video.

[tdogg]

Sorry I meant to say when you pull the hammer back from fully down to half cock, the at rest position of the trigger doesn't move rearward a little?

Cheers,
Toby

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[Earl Keese]

No. Im saying that the RRK only provides a benefit when the hammer is manually lowered all the way forward. When it’s simply decocked to the half cocked position, the RRK provides no benefit that Im aware of.

The RRK screws are currently not in place, and it would be a day or two before I could put them in and take a video.

This is correct, only a benefit for hammer down starts. For half cock notch de-cocker starts the trigger is already back.
**My answer here is incorrect, see my post below.

[tdogg]

Earl,

So is the RRK kit at trigger rest position when decocked not shorter/less reach than without it?  I have big hands and have never played with the RRK and am curious.  I assume yes as it is just a modified disco.

Cheers,
Toby

[Earl Keese]

Earl,

So is the RRK kit at trigger rest position when decocked not shorter/less reach than without it?  I have big hands and have never played with the RRK and am curious.  I assume yes as it is just a modified disco.

Cheers,
Toby

Sorry for my previous incorrect answer, I was working from memory and confused my Pre-B with a short reset disco with my Rami(rrk-t2).
 Rami w/RRK: With the pre-travel screw installed, most of the pre-travel or DA take-up is eliminated(2mm) with hammer down. At half-cock, trigger position doesn't move rearward at all but some additional take-up is introduced.
 Pre-b w/ fitted short reset disco: when at half-cock, trigger moves rearward 2-3mm as compared to hammer down.
Hope this clears things up, sorry if I added to the confusion.

[cfr]

Earl,

So is the RRK kit at trigger rest position when decocked not shorter/less reach than without it?

Correct

[cfr]

So everyone is on the same page, this is a snippet of an email I got from CGW a while back on this topic:

"RRK benefits are with the hammer lowered all the way down.  RRK does not affect the trigger position at half cock."

So this being the case, is this product worth using to most people that have it? It requires the user to manually lower the hammer instead of using the decocker. Also, while using the decocker does leave the pull longer, a good chunk of that has next to no resistance.

I know whether to use or not is very subjective. However, I also know this product if quite popular, but honestly wondering if that's because lots don't learn these fun facts about the product until after they purchase, as they're not revealed until reading the instructions that accompany the parts (this is what happened with me).

That said, do most folks that have this installed on the DA/SA version make use of it? Has it made your DA shots better/ faster than half cocked? I realize the intention of the product is to make the trigger easier to reach, but I dont have any issue there, so not sure if I should bother or not.

Thanks!

[George16]

It’s only beneficial if you have small hands or short fingers  .

[Earl Keese]

So everyone is on the same page, this is a snippet of an email I got from CGW a while back on this topic:

"RRK benefits are with the hammer lowered all the way down.  RRK does not affect the trigger position at half cock."

So this being the case, is this product worth using to most people that have it? It requires the user to manually lower the hammer instead of using the decocker. Also, while using the decocker does leave the pull longer, a good chunk of that has next to no resistance.

I know whether to use or not is very subjective. However, I also know this product if quite popular, but honestly wondering if that's because lots don't learn these fun facts about the product until after they purchase, as they're not revealed until reading the instructions that accompany the parts (this is what happened with me).

That said, do most folks that have this installed on the DA/SA version make use of it? Has it made your DA shots better/ faster than half cocked? I realize the intention of the product is to make the trigger easier to reach, but I dont have any issue there, so not sure if I should bother or not.

Thanks!

If you have the info direct from CGW, why keep posting this info here? We've already discussed it thoroughly. Clearly, it's a benefit for DA/SA safety models used for competition as they have to start hammer down. Not so much a benefit for de-cocker models. Decide according to your application.