CZ SP01

[Duo007]

Going to choose my first CZ75 pistol and have selected the SP01 as my first but see there is two selections to choose from. You have the choice Safety model or decocker model, what would be the wise choice here?

[PilatusTurbo]

Just bought an SP-01 Tactical. That's the decocker model. Love it.  I also got a P-01 decocker model. My 75B is a manual safety and On CZs, I don't prefer it. Decocker all the way on a good Double Action Single Action pistol.

[Duo007]

Just bought an SP-01 Tactical. That's the decocker model. Love it.  I also got a P-01 decocker model. My 75B is a manual safety and On CZs, I don't prefer it. Decocker all the way on a good Double Action Single Action pistol.

What makes you not like the manual safety on the 75b if you dont mind me asking?

[Bossgobbler]

Get the SP01 Shadow (Safety model) It has a better trigger and can easily be tuned even better.  There is a reason that the CZ Safety model is the most used in competition.  Even if you are not planning to shoot competition get the Safety model as the resale market for the Safety model is bigger.

[Duo007]

Get the SP01 Shadow (Safety model) It has a better trigger and can easily be tuned even better.  There is a reason that the CZ Safety model is the most used in competition.  Even if you are not planning to shoot competition get the Safety model as the resale market for the Safety model is bigger.

At first I was leaning towards the decocker model but see alot of potential with the frame safety model especially if I want to get the rail-less frame from cz custom shop

[armoredman]

The first question is - what will you use it for? If it is for range and matches, get the standard safety of you wish. Time doesn't matter and forgetting to drop the safety means only a red face and some lost time.

Forgetting to release the safety in a true defensive encounter can mean a red soaked shirt and a closed casket funeral. This means if you choose the standard safety model, do LOTS of practice on wiping the safety off during the draw, IF you plan on carrying "cocked and locked", i.e., hammer back on loaded chamber, safety engaged. If you are already intimately familiar with this method ala 1911 or SIG P-210, then it's a short step for you. If you have NEVER practiced this maneuver and plan on using the sidearm defensively, I would recommend you try the decocker version instead. Decocker just gives you that longer, safer first round pull, then the second SA pull with no need for a safety to be involved. Simpler, easier, but the trade off is the first round has a higher miss probability due to the "crunchen-tick" that Colonel Cooper spoke of, the transition from double action to single action in the next shot.

Again, if a range/match only gun, the standard safety means you can use SA for every shot and make better points. You can also carry in the manually decocked position same as listed for the decocker model, but MANUALLY deoccking on a live round presents it's own list of watch and bewares.

[Duo007]

The first question is - what will you use it for? If it is for range and matches, get the standard safety of you wish. Time doesn't matter and forgetting to drop the safety means only a red face and some lost time.

Forgetting to release the safety in a true defensive encounter can mean a red soaked shirt and a closed casket funeral. This means if you choose the standard safety model, do LOTS of practice on wiping the safety off during the draw, IF you plan on carrying "cocked and locked", i.e., hammer back on loaded chamber, safety engaged. If you are already intimately familiar with this method ala 1911 or SIG P-210, then it's a short step for you. If you have NEVER practiced this maneuver and plan on using the sidearm defensively, I would recommend you try the decocker version instead. Decocker just gives you that longer, safer first round pull, then the second SA pull with no need for a safety to be involved. Simpler, easier, but the trade off is the first round has a higher miss probability due to the "crunchen-tick" that Colonel Cooper spoke of, the transition from double action to single action in the next shot.

Again, if a range/match only gun, the standard safety means you can use SA for every shot and make better points. You can also carry in the manually decocked position same as listed for the decocker model, but MANUALLY deoccking on a live round presents it's own list of watch and bewares.

For sure will be a defensive pistol but am used to carrying weapons with safeties like the 1911 so training is already there. Would also love to use it for competitions as well if I get it setup right.

[seebee62]

I have the SP-01 Tactical decocker. I prefer no manual safety unless it’s a 1911. My 1911 is a range fun gun. My SP-01 is home defense and taking out the trash gun and fun gun. Either model is great just depends on what one prefers or what the use is.


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[larryflew]

Safety version can be carried cocked and locked or hammer down and no safety if preferred so I see no need for the decocker especially since you are used to decocking a 1911.

[Fuzzy Sights]

I have and use both.  Prefer decocker and a double action first shot. How I shoot in matches and how I have my defensive pistols set up.

Hope this helps.

JW

[tdogg]

Honestly I don't know why CZ doesn't make a Shadow 2 Tactical (decocker).  It would be ideal for competition as you are able to just decock it on the make ready command.  I'd purchase two of them for carry optics.

You have to decide if you want a decocker or safety.  The ability to tune (B models) either is the same, the action is the same, the ergo's are the same, etc...  I have mostly decockers but shoot Limited with the TSO's mainly now.  I can swap between each type of action fairly easily now.

Cheers,
Toby

[PilatusTurbo]

Those are great responses in favor of the manual safety. Not new at all to guns, but newer to CZ. I was not aware that manual safety guns are better for tuning/comp, but that makes sense.

I don't like the manual safety on my 75B because it's mushy, and I've heard that their safeties are like that. Maybe it's just the 75B, or just my 75B.  I only really care for manual safeties on guns like My P365s, light trigger striker guns.

I believe on Double Action Single Action guns, decocked, with practice, the long double action first pull is the best. It's hard to accidentally get that trigger back far enough, and my DA first shot skill has increased exponentially, and there's no safety to mess with if it's a true situation. 

To each their own.

ETA: Additionally, you can thumb the hammer while reholstering, and even though I don't carry appendix, that's a great preventative measure. If you're used to cocked and locked, go for it. I wouldn't, as I'm not versed in carrying 1911s that way. The safety on my 75B is fully functional, but seems too mushy for me to trust in a cocked and locked role. I just manually decock it and carry it that way.

[Wideload]

I've run both the Safety and Decocker SP01s in competition.  They are too heavy for me as a carry gun (I know... get a "real"belt...blah blah blah ...but that is my preference)

If you work on your own guns, safety models are lot easier to work on.  If you have a gunsmith work on a decocker, you will need to confirm that they have experience with them before letting them work on your's.

Decocker gets you shorter DA pull for your first shot.  (USPSA Production/Carry Optics rules defines hammer down as either the hammer all the way down or if equipped with a decocker, at the position set by the decocker)

The Safety does not provide a crisp 1911 type on/off feeling.  Stock safety levers are also pretty small. The latter is addressable by going to a reputable CZ parts seller - think there may be few on this forum)

If you opt for Shadow, (No firing pin block, resulting in cleaner trigger) the current production models are the heavier Shadow 2's (S2).  You might find a original SP01 Shadow, but they are going to cost as much as the S2's  For most people S2's are the better race guns over the SP01s or the SP01 Shadows.  If running it in competition, check the rules on models allowed and weight limits.  I have been told that in IDPA, S2's exceeds some of parameter or another.

[PilatusTurbo]

Agreed on all, Wideload.  Safety is not very tactile, and that's what I meant by mushy.

Also, I learned quickly how to do my decocker spring kits, and that sear cage is ....... Fun....  Both my decocker guns I did that to do function perfectly, but yeah, make sure whoever you PAY to do that work actually can do it properly.  Very, very easy to mess one little tiny thing up halfway through, and nothing works properly when re-assembled.

[Duo007]

Thank you for all responses, seems like to me I wont go wrong with any path I choose.