Has CZ Lost Their Mind?

[Skookum]

I have no view on the fall of the CZ 97, except it's a shame when the market is deprived of a functional option, but with today's "microcompact" mania, the CZ 2075 is too bulky, too heavy, and has a magazine capacity that's too small.

In comparison, the SIG Sauer P365, which debuted 14 years after the CZ 2075, has 34% less bulk, 30% less weight, with no decrease in capacity.  The cost of these benefits is 46% increase in free recoil.

Today's consumer buys a carry gun for its ease of carry, not for its ability to shoot well.  Every review I watched or read on the 2075 praised its ability to shoot surprisingly well.  Of course, the 2075 is on the large size of the subcompact range so with its metal frame its recoil is tamer and easier to control.  In the hands of most shooters, the "microcompacts" (which are really just high capacity subcompacts) will be spray-and-pray-o-matics relative to the 2075.

[CowboyIlija97]

i love my rami and its a shame CZ dropped it, but dropping the CZ97 was bound to happen at some point, it would be nice if CZ came up with an improved Micro CZ like the rami

[hounddogman]

I've considered a 97 because with the Cajun bushing it's a very accurate pistol at a reasonable price. By most accounts it's as good as 1911s costing 2 or 3 times as much. But every time I pick one up I change my mind. The grip frame is simply too big for my short fat fingers .  Tanfoglio actually has a better feeling 45 frame.  The RAMI is similar, it just doesn't feel as good in the hand to most people compared with the P01 or PCR.  Awhile back I went into a gun store with a rifle to trade looking for something smaller than my P01 ,I looked hard at a RAMI but ended up walking out with a used CZC Pro-Tec 1 even though it's the same size as a  P01 and marginally lighter.

[MeatAxe]

Plastique / bleep MIM striker-fired Glock clones with bleepty triggers are cheaper to make and more profitable than (now) traditional iterations of the CZ75, with alloy frames and excellent DA/SA triggers. Internet gun “influencers” are bribed to shill and convince gullible gun customers that these bleepty striker guns are good, better than the CZ75, which is the pinnacle in quality of mass-produced semi-auto pistols.

Right on cue, CZ drops the ball on 10mm, which is making a comeback right now, and no doubt on the up and coming 7.5 FK Brno. Will CZ have the brains to pursue those cartridges in the Scorpion EVO as a higher powered PDW / pistol caliber carbine? Probably not, unless they acquire FK Brno. These days CZ tends to acquire others / from others instead of innovating themselves.

Of course, CZ is also dropping the ball on the commercial Bren 2 with non-existent customer support for infamously malfunctioning x39 guns. Same as electing to rebuild Colt in libtard, litigious, feather bedding anti-gun CT instead of just absorbing the trademark and moving the whole kit & kaboodle for CZ & Colt production alike down South where they would be welcomed.

Yep, it’s a cluster bleep.

[GRU7_Mike]

After reading the post from hounddogman, I went over to the LGS that has a 97b (for a considerable higher cost than before CZ announcement of discontinuing) and a serious evaluation of how it felt in my hand I believe that particular firearm would not suit me and I am glad I did not buy one before. As I have said before...my ideal 45 cal would be a P-01 in 45 cal.

[the war wagon]

Gotta make room for those new CZ 1911's!

[MeatAxe]

Gotta make room for those new CZ 1911’s Glock clones!

FIFY

[DenStinett]

The one I'm scratching my Head over is; they're discontinuing the CZ75/85 KADET 2

[BBF97]

CZ is absolutely dropping the ball re RAMI and 10mm. I have three RAMI for carry. Also two 365 but the RAMI are far better and the weight is close enough. They are real shooters.

10mm is fast becoming the 45. But CZ and Beretta and STI etc got nothing. We have the single stack P220 and the Glock 20/40. Then along  come RIA and SW with new 10mm. Can shoot 10/40/357SIG/9x25 Dillon with the same mags and just barrel changes. I have the FK, it awesome, had the same versatility plus the 7.5Fk round

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I don't understand all the whining about CZ and the niche market 10mm. CZ owns Dan Wesson and now they have Colt under the umbrella both of which produce 10mm handguns.

[MeatAxe]

I don't understand all the whining about CZ and the niche market 10mm. CZ owns Dan Wesson and now they have Colt under the umbrella both of which produce 10mm handguns.

I really don’t understand the whining about people wanting a CZ97 in 10mm, or now 7.5 FK Brno, now that that’s a thing. If I wanted a 1911 in 10mm, I could have gotten on a long time ago. Same with a Tanfoglio. Would rather have the real deal with a decocker. Seems like a no brainer for CZ, and actually it is a no brainer because CZ didn’t do it. They’re becoming to conservative and less innovative, or only taking half measures.

Lately it seems that CZ never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[alp3367]

Seems like a no brainer for CZ, and actually it is a no brainer because CZ didn’t do it. They’re becoming to conservative and less innovative, or only taking half measures.

Lately it seems that CZ never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 It's frequently about choices. With demand that far exceeds production capacity one needs to pick and choose. They are a huge small arms company and not a boutique one for the most part. If given the choice of producing models you can sell 100,000+ of and ones you can sell a few thousand of which would you choose?

[MeatAxe]

Seems like a no brainer for CZ, and actually it is a no brainer because CZ didn’t do it. They’re becoming to conservative and less innovative, or only taking half measures.

Lately it seems that CZ never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

 It's frequently about choices. With demand that far exceeds production capacity one needs to pick and choose. They are a huge small arms company and not a boutique one for the most part. If given the choice of producing models you can sell 100,000+ of and ones you can sell a few thousand of which would you choose?

Without innovation, companies stagnate. CZ is stagnating. Following the latest group think “conventional wisdom” (McPastic Glock clones, etc.) may sell them some lowest common denominator product but subjects them to stiff competition from all the other Glock clones in the market. And besides, it’s boring. BORING!!!

I picked up CZ’s latest single stack plastique wonder of a P10 the other day at a LGS: it’s got the worst trigger I’ve ever felt this side of an HK VP70.

[BBF97]

I don't understand all the whining about CZ and the niche market 10mm. CZ owns Dan Wesson and now they have Colt under the umbrella both of which produce 10mm handguns.

I'll try again. Double stack 10mm. 10mm is more than niche whatever that means. It's become the most popular hunting and woods guns out there. People want a double stack for that sort of thing. CZ. Beretta, SIG are all essentially 9mm only these days in practice.

Tanfoglio is MIA and don't advertise 10mm any more.

CZC made the 97/10mm but apparently the frame wasn't up for it.

But RIA is still in the game. SW even came back with the 610.

CZ is a boutique in the race guns. A 10mm is not a stretch

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I don't understand all the whining about CZ and the niche market 10mm. CZ owns Dan Wesson and now they have Colt under the umbrella both of which produce 10mm handguns.

I'll try again. Double stack 10mm. 10mm is more than niche whatever that means. It's become the most popular hunting and woods guns out there. People want a double stack for that sort of thing. CZ. Beretta, SIG are all essentially 9mm only these days in practice.

Tanfoglio is MIA and don't advertise 10mm any more.

CZC made the 97/10mm but apparently the frame wasn't up for it.

But RIA is still in the game. SW even came back with the 610.

CZ is a boutique in the race guns. A 10mm is not a stretch

Well you can look up niche for yourself but I suspect you already know for all practical purposes it means small market. If you want it that bad call CZ and inundate them with your request. Maybe CZ will make a P-series gun in 10mm once they get their ducks in a row but that's a long stretch guess at best.
By the way S&W came back with the 610 which is a very easy thing to do since it's a revolver and they have been tooled up to produce the N-frame guns since the 50's. The adjustments after that are not the same as tooling up for a complete new line. S&W made the 3rd gen guns in 10mm after the effabee eye fiasco but those are gone forever.