The red dotters are right!

[hurst01]

I have been looking at the CZ for a bit and think I found one I like.  It is a P10s Optics Ready.  Also considering whether to get the Optics or the laser.  I have never used either, just iron sights.  Any recommendations of one over the other?  I found the Optics Ready version a good bit cheaper than the Non-Optics so might as well get it.  Also, price is going to be a consideration, then there is the holster that will accommodate either/both.  It never ends does it?

[Joe L]

Ed--I have a P-10S OR and love it.  I don't think there is any downside to getting the OR version. 

No experience here with the laser, but lots of experience with the red dots.  The P-10S is narrower than the full size pistols so you might like the fit of a narrower red dot like a Holosun 507k over one of the slightly wider sights (507c) that are the width of the full size slide.

I have many videos shooting the P-10S at 100 and 200 yards if you are interested in that sort of thing.  There is also a sight installation video.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0yzMPRcCg7m079yGwVX5kFh 

Also, Ed, you have an interesting background.  I built Ford DOHC drag race cars using nitrous or turbochargers until back injuries slowed me down too much. 

Joe

[Faeruss7]

I have been experimenting with RDSs for pistols, target and defense (daylight and low-light). I have nothing negative to say about them. They increase the capabilities of those who are already capable. Unfortunately, the comparisons to rifle RDSs just aren’t there, that being, a decrease in the learning-cycle of aiming. If I could make one recommendation for an upgrade to a pistol for defense, it would be a WML. Then a RDS, and then night-sights. For target shooting, whatever floats your boat.

The ability to positively identify a potential threat and control their visual horizon (WML), outweighs the advantage of a RDS for 90% of the people I see at the range. But RDSs are an advantage to those who are already skillful. I think taking a 2-day defensive pistol class would do more long-term good than buying a RDS.

I fully support RDS-mounted pistolcraft, but for 90% of people, in 90% of defensive situations, they are almost irrelevant. I use them, and they’re wonderful, but realistic expectations of our own capabilities should precede throwing money at a problem. Unless of course you consider me a problem, then throw away.

[RSR]

I have been experimenting with RDSs for pistols, target and defense (daylight and low-light). I have nothing negative to say about them. They increase the capabilities of those who are already capable. Unfortunately, the comparisons to rifle RDSs just aren’t there, that being, a decrease in the learning-cycle of aiming. If I could make one recommendation for an upgrade to a pistol for defense, it would be a WML. Then a RDS, and then night-sights. For target shooting, whatever floats your boat.

The ability to positively identify a potential threat and control their visual horizon (WML), outweighs the advantage of a RDS for 90% of the people I see at the range. But RDSs are an advantage to those who are already skillful. I think taking a 2-day defensive pistol class would do more long-term good than buying a RDS.

I fully support RDS-mounted pistolcraft, but for 90% of people, in 90% of defensive situations, they are almost irrelevant. I use them, and they’re wonderful, but realistic expectations of our own capabilities should precede throwing money at a problem. Unless of course you consider me a problem, then throw away.

Well thought out reply. 

Of note and to add, WML is minute of man "sight" or "dot"/hotspot w/in most self defense distances.  Night sights are of little use when weapon mounted light is illuminated.  Taller BUIS for pistols w/ red dots/suppressors do result in increased snags.  Lasers at self defense distances, especially in lower light are as much, if not of greater utility than a red dot sight -- allow for visual feedback on movement of gun during trigger pull (for training and immediate feedback on stress inputs before breaking a shot) and don't require the gun to be aligned with lights to view AND may also have deterrent effect on bad guys. 

Lastly, think it's important to note that where RDS on pistols really shine is in offensive use beyond the standard self-defense ranges when a rifle/carbine isn't at hand.  Also a benefit to range/target/competition shooting, and a backpacking or hunting or ranch sidearm setup (when you don't regularly carry a rifle).  So for LE or military, I see pretty indisputable benefit to red dots.  But for bad breath civilian self-defense use, benefits for those scenarios is questionable.