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Offline Codifier

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From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« on: May 08, 2022, 09:01:44 PM »
Was rooting around in the safe and dusted off a FDE P10c I got back when they released, had fired a few mags through then cleaned. 

I recalled hearing something about issues a few years back and started digging again.  The striker plate/striker assembly, and locking block.  Well, and the mag release being stiff but that is a non-issue IMHO. 

Cajun gun works has a replacement striker plate, but is there an aftermarket / CZ replacement part for the locking block update and where can I get it? 

Since mine was mothballed all the threads are from 2018 or so, and not finding much on where to get the replacement locking block.  Also, is it difficult to replace?  Want to get the P10c back up to fighting trim, so to speak.
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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2022, 09:49:58 PM »
P10's are generally pretty easy to work on.... several of videos on YouTube showing complete disassembly and reassembly.

https://shop.cz-usa.com/cz-products/p-10.html

keep an eye for whats in stock but thats a good place to order factory parts from

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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2022, 04:35:16 PM »
Was rooting around in the safe and dusted off a FDE P10c I got back when they released, had fired a few mags through then cleaned. 

I recalled hearing something about issues a few years back and started digging again.  The striker plate/striker assembly, and locking block.  Well, and the mag release being stiff but that is a non-issue IMHO. 

Cajun gun works has a replacement striker plate, but is there an aftermarket / CZ replacement part for the locking block update and where can I get it? 

Since mine was mothballed all the threads are from 2018 or so, and not finding much on where to get the replacement locking block.  Also, is it difficult to replace?  Want to get the P10c back up to fighting trim, so to speak.
Back up to fighting trim, you only put a couple mags through it.
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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2022, 04:53:53 PM »
I have one of those first gen P10's. I use one of the beta test CGW striker plates, but that's the only "corrective" part in the gun. It has run for thousands of rounds without issue. I don't even try to keep a count anymore. FWIW, I didn't have any problems before installing the Cajun striker plate...but it's cheap insurance. I think the early issues with these pistols were blown out of proportion.

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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2022, 05:07:53 PM »
Was rooting around in the safe and dusted off a FDE P10c I got back when they released, had fired a few mags through then cleaned. 

I recalled hearing something about issues a few years back and started digging again.  The striker plate/striker assembly, and locking block.  Well, and the mag release being stiff but that is a non-issue IMHO. 

Cajun gun works has a replacement striker plate, but is there an aftermarket / CZ replacement part for the locking block update and where can I get it? 

Since mine was mothballed all the threads are from 2018 or so, and not finding much on where to get the replacement locking block.  Also, is it difficult to replace?  Want to get the P10c back up to fighting trim, so to speak.
Back up to fighting trim, you only put a couple mags through it.
What's there to worry about🤷????
I am having trouble determining the changes from so-called Gen 1 to Gen2/3 chance of impact.  I can rotate the striker a bit, and kinda pop down the striker plate, and if slowly released it can snag; I don't expect that to be an issue but is it something that worsens over time?  Something that either happens or doesn't forever?  $22 to CGW is cheap insurance on that in any event. 

The locking block change is also one I can't seem to find the severity or impact of not changing it.  Again, if I can find the updated part and swap it out then it will never be a problem and eventually this stuff will get hard to find as demand drops to nothing since everyone either upgraded, forgot about, or got newer versions that don't need these parts.  Best to get them now, and be done with it.  I will be livid if I sit on this, and years down the road do get hit with the problem and can't find the replacement parts because it's been seven years.
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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2022, 05:10:22 PM »
I have one of those first gen P10's. I use one of the beta test CGW striker plates, but that's the only "corrective" part in the gun. It has run for thousands of rounds without issue. I don't even try to keep a count anymore. FWIW, I didn't have any problems before installing the Cajun striker plate...but it's cheap insurance. I think the early issues with these pistols were blown out of proportion.
That's the way I am seeing it, cheap insurance to never have to worry about it.  So I will get a CGW plate, but no idea on replacement of the front locking block or even what the part is properly called, there was a thread here from 2017-2018 I think that had pictures of the old and new style and mentioned it's a drop-in part but no mention of where said part can be found or what it's called.  "Front locking block CZ P10c" doesn't get me anywhere but that posts and posts that reference that post so it's a loop. 

New parts go on, old parts go in a marked bag, dust hands and move on is my plan.
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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2022, 06:26:59 PM »
Thanks for the info guys I didn't understand there was a problem
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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2022, 09:00:47 PM »
I don't remember an issue with the front locking block. If there was an upgrade due to a design or manufacturing flaw, the parts on the CZ webstore would be good to go by now or they wouldn't be selling them. That said, CZ OEM parts availability is fairly hit-or-miss these days. To add to my original reply, I edc my P10C and it sees regular use in matches. I trust it as much as a piece of equipment can be trusted.

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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2022, 05:42:46 AM »
The issue with the front locking block relates to the slide stop spring. The original p10's only had a recess for the "Shepard's hook" shaped spring to sit in and it would sometimes pop out. The newer design locking block has an additional small nub cast into it to prevent the spring from coming out. BTW nub is a highly technical term that only the most elite kitchen table gunsmiths understand.
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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2022, 09:07:38 AM »
Link to thread with generational changes, pic of the " nub":
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=107120.0
Link to the front insert at CZ-USA, note that pic of part shows updated "nub":
https://shop.cz-usa.com/0550030001.html

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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2022, 10:08:19 AM »
Link to thread with generational changes, pic of the " nub":
https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=107120.0
Link to the front insert at CZ-USA, note that pic of part shows updated "nub":
https://shop.cz-usa.com/0550030001.html
Exactly what I was after!  You my friend win the Internet today, thank you.
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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2022, 10:52:41 AM »
Mine already has it('17), but doesn't have the updated slide so I guess mine is Gen1.5. You can see the nub without removing the insert, might be worth checking yours before you order.

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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2022, 11:05:48 PM »
I have one of the early P10Cs as well.  I contacted CZ USA and wound up sending it to them for updating.  They machined the newer-version slot in the slide and installed the updated, anti-rotation striker components.  It was all at no cost to me.

I used the CGW anti-rotation kit (striker plate and pin) before having the work done, it's a good fix also.

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Re: From the vault: Gen 1 P10c
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2022, 06:10:05 AM »
Go with the CZ-USA routine - they do good work and it should be free.