Colt will ruin CZ.

[RSR]

I realize CZ is supplying Ukraine with guns, i.e. the Bren 2, which is seriously underfunded and underserved for parts in the US for us.

But let’s look at the economy of scale. I remember when the USA was arming friendly forces in Iraq after Gulf War II with Bulgarian Arsenal full-auto milled SAM7s (arguably the highest quality AK made today) for the princely price of $35.00 per unit, while at the same time, semi-auto SAM7s in the US were selling for $700 - $800 a pop (at that time, now those same semi-auto rifles are selling for @ $1,800.00 a pop today, here in the US).

So, hey, let’s go ahead and fully supply the US civilian market at 20 times the price that it would cost to supply Ukraine. Obviously , it makes more sense to (fully) supply the US civilian market at 20 times the price so you can supply the Ukraine military for next to nothing.

I don't know that #s are true and the discounted price might reflect the Bulgarian Gov't's contribution to NATO for the GWOT -- remember the Czech's provided their surplus Vz58s as part of their NATO contribution en lieu of cash outlays or new goods requiring the same...

And we also don't know what the Ukrainians are paying for weaponry.  But given that the US taxpayer is largely paying for Ukraine's costs/their continued armament and prosecution of this war, I suspect the only ones on the losing end, financially, of these arms deals are the American taxpayer...

[MeatAxe]

I realize CZ is supplying Ukraine with guns, i.e. the Bren 2, which is seriously underfunded and underserved for parts in the US for us.

But let’s look at the economy of scale. I remember when the USA was arming friendly forces in Iraq after Gulf War II with Bulgarian Arsenal full-auto milled SAM7s (arguably the highest quality AK made today) for the princely price of $35.00 per unit, while at the same time, semi-auto SAM7s in the US were selling for $700 - $800 a pop (at that time, now those same semi-auto rifles are selling for @ $1,800.00 a pop today, here in the US).

So, hey, let’s go ahead and fully supply the US civilian market at 20 times the price that it would cost to supply Ukraine. Obviously , it makes more sense to (fully) supply the US civilian market at 20 times the price so you can supply the Ukraine military for next to nothing.

I don't know that #s are true and the discounted price might reflect the Bulgarian Gov't's contribution to NATO for the GWOT -- remember the Czech's provided their surplus Vz58s as part of their NATO contribution en lieu of cash outlays or new goods requiring the same...

And we also don't know what the Ukrainians are paying for weaponry.  But given that the US taxpayer is largely paying for Ukraine's costs/their continued armament and prosecution of this war, I suspect the only ones on the losing end, financially, of these arms deals are the American taxpayer...

And of course, the US taxpayers who bought CZ Bren 2s, especially since before the POTATUS surrendered to the Taliban (and basically invited Putin to invade Ukraine again) are getting doubly screwed.

[Grendel]

If you guys aren't going to talk about Colt and ruining CZ, and persist in bringing politics into the thread...guess what?

[Sowbelly]

CZ bought Colt not the other way around so maybe CZ will be good for Colt

[jlwolff911]

Only Colt I own a 1918 US Gov 1911.

[sevt_chevelle]

CZ bought Colt not the other way around so maybe CZ will be good for Colt

Yep but recent history is littered with companies buying others out and in turn the loser taking the reins and darn near killing both companies.