PO9 Supressor Height Sight Rear Dovetail?

[OMCHamlin]

Noticed a problem on my PO9 this afternoon, was zeroing my sights for a small windage error and went to snug the locking set screw, holy cow, all of a sudden my rear sight's dovetail was firm and flush on the right side but there is a noticeable gap between the dovetail pocket and the bottom of the rear sight's dovetail on the LEFT side!  And of course, the rear sight is canted (or cocked) up leaning to the right. So I am wondering, CZ has already told me they'd look at it and even send me a pickup tag for it, but I HATE sending a gun in for repairs. Does anybody know of an adjustable rear sight with dovetail dimensions that would be compatible with this sight system? If I could get that in there, I'd consider myself ahead of the game. Besides, they told me it's no problem if my gun goes in to them with a CGW action kit installed, they'd not strip out and replace all of that, but.... If it comes back to me, full of factory parts, I'm screwed.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

They are not going to work on the action over a rear sight issue period. The only way that would happen is if they replace the entire gun which isn't likely. I'd ship it back and let them fix it since it sounds like the sight is out of spec. It's your gun though so do as you see fit.
CGW and CZ Custom did sell adjustable sights for CZ's and the P-07/09 uses the same dovetail as standard 75's. I had a set of regular 75 sights on an early P-07 at one point and they worked out just fine.

[OMCHamlin]

Well, I'm pretty darn sure I have no real choice now. Looking at this again, from the top down, you can see that the dovetail in the slide was absolutely cut too wide on the left side. It would not work without camming up on one side, veering towards the wider part of the dovetail... bleep!

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Well, I'm pretty darn sure I have no real choice now. Looking at this again, from the top down, you can see that the dovetail in the slide was absolutely cut too wide on the left side. It would not work without camming up on one side, veering towards the wider part of the dovetail... bleep!

If you think the dovetail is badly cut then I would remove ALL your aftermarket parts before sending it in. If the slide is no good then there's a good chance they would replace the entire pistol if it's under warranty.

[OMCHamlin]

Well, I filled out the warranty service request on line at CZ and submitted it, but have heard nothing back yet. I've also began to research the P09 rear sight dovetail and dang it all to heck, YES, it IS bigger then most of the other typical rear sight dovetails out there.
One of my first thoughts was to do what I did many years ago on my wife's EAA Witness Match and "adjust" the dovetail on an existing rear sight design that happened to be compatible height wise with her available front sights on the EAA.
It was a Kensight adjustable rear sight with a Novak profile, and it replaced the cheesy rear from EAA quite nicely (didn't they use some budget LPA adjustable back then?)
Anyhow, here is her EAA Witness Match with a Dawson FO front and a Kensight adjustable Novak style rear, with a better POA/POI relationship. I recall the factory furnished rear sight had to be elevated so dang high to zero it looked more like some little pot-metal trebuchet then a rear sight!


But to solve this problem on the P09, I would want the replacement rear sight dovetail base to be even bigger then the existing dovetail cut in the slide, because it IS oversize on the left side, no two ways around it.
1. So before anything gets "upgraded", the existing rear sight dovetail would have to be oversized and trued so that it would hold evenly across the whole cross section of the transverse cut. 
2. OR, continue on with CZ warranty service and hope for a replacement slide with correct rear dovetail. 
3. OR, I could send this slide off to DP Custom Works and have them do a Holosun 507C (or K) cut while eliminating the rear sight dovetail completely and inserting a simple Glock style rear sight dovetail just forward of the Holosun! 
Yes, #3 IS the long way around, but it would put a nice pistol optic that I do want to play with on this gun, and STILL leave me with iron sights.  What do any of you all have to say about the Holosun sights right now? I know I'm set on a green circle dot (MRS), I'd "like" a solar panel, I also like the square housing. Not sure about overall size correctness (proportion?) between the CZ P09 slide and the Holosun C or K size format? So, yes, I'm all over the place here...

[M1A4ME]

My P07 9MM I had DP Custom Works do a couple years ago.



I've been letting Doug mill/refinish my slides for 3 or more years now.  I was driving them down to his shop and dropping them off (we like to drive).  He does some great work.  I've got an M&P 2.0 FDE .40 slide at his shop now getting milled for a Holosun and rear back up sight and then refinished.

This is an M&P 2.0 Compact .45 acp he did for me last year.  I had him get the nickel finish on the slide and put the rear sight behind the optic on the M&P as that's the way the optics ready M&Ps are done.

[OMCHamlin]

Well, of course, perfect timing, now I get a contact email from CZ and a label. NOW it's time to s--t or get off the pot, I suppose. I AM kinda liking the idea of a Holosun 508T or something on there instead of having to gut my CGW upgrade kit out of the gun, just to put it all back in when it comes back.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Well, of course, perfect timing, now I get a contact email from CZ and a label. NOW it's time to s--t or get off the pot, I suppose. I AM kinda liking the idea of a Holosun 508T or something on there instead of having to gut my CGW upgrade kit out of the gun, just to put it all back in when it comes back.

Yes it's a pain to remove the upgrade parts but at least it's a P-series not a metal framed decocker so it's not that bad to do. Besides when either your gun comes back repaired or they send a complete new pistol you can still do the Holosun if that's what you want.

[M1A4ME]

If you send it back make sure anything you want to keep that's in the original box is removed.  In case they ship you a new gun.  You'll lose everything in the box except the magazine (if they asked you to send one back with the gun.)

[OMCHamlin]

No, I think I'm going to send it on to DP Custom. I'm now psyched about that option, and it's only the slide going away.

[M1A4ME]

No, I think I'm going to send it on to DP Custom. I'm now psyched about that option, and it's only the slide going away.

If you really like the way it shoots and you like the trigger pull/feel that may be the best option.  Not all pistols are created equal. If they replaced the pistol the new one might not shoot as good or have a good feeling trigger.

I have four of the P07/P09 pistols.  The 9MM P09 has a pretty decent trigger and is the most accurate of the four.  The P07 .40 has the best trigger and second best accuracy of the four.  The .40 S&W P09 come in third for trigger pull/feel and accuracy.  The P07 9MM never met the accuracy of the others and the trigger was bad enough I bought an upgraded hammer for it to improve the trigger pull - and is still wasn't as nice as the P07 .40 or the P09 9MM.  All guns are not created equal.

When it comes back from DP Custom Works share some pictures.  And a range report.

[OMCHamlin]

I think that's my route of travel, out to DP Custom. here's a pic of the existing rear dovetail. Amazing, huh?


You are right, even though they are massed produced and should be exactly alike, this one has a nice install of the CGW kit, and it's taken the parts very well.

[OMCHamlin]

I guess you might say I went the other direction...


sorry, the ACSS vulcan reticle pic is worthless...

[M1A4ME]

The pistol looks good.

I don't think I've ever seen that reticle before.  That would be hard to get used to.

Do you have to "keep" it all or can you switch from one reticle/image to another?  Like the ones with the circle and dot in the middle of the circle.  Use the dot only, or use the circle and dot.

[OMCHamlin]

So the poor picture really hurts this description, but basically, it works like this; Your actual aiming point is the center green chevron, the outer circle is big, too big to actually see if you are centering the chevron. However (and here's the beauty of this reticle system), if you bring the gun up, and you don't see the center chevron, you WILL see part of that big outer circle. When you see a segment of that green circle, say, an edge of it in your right (or 3 o'clock) quadrant ")", you'll KNOW that center chevron is misaligned, off to the left, and your subconscious will correct your centering very quickly. It's a training tool and in addition, the chevron provided a fast "eye-catcher" and a precision aiming point (tip of the chevron), along with some claimed distance hold-over since you could aim on the underside of the inverted V or such. I'm new to it, so I'm trying it. Oh, and to answer, "Yes", you CAN turn off the outer green circle. The wife insists on the newer Holosun 507 Comp reticle for her M&P, so now I'm looking around for one of those on sale and in stock, both of which are proving a challenge...