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Offline sil7z

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2023, 11:11:49 PM »
Out of the box mainspring's DA trigger pull was a bit heavy for me. I've settled on a 9-pound Eemann spring, lightened firing pin spring and so far haven't had any light strikes with quality ammo (Magtech, S&B).

One more thing I've noticed is that the trigger guard and trigger blade of the KMR are slightly smaller than the Shadow 2. I have large hands and fingers and I find pressing the Shadow 2 trigger easier in terms of fingertip weight distribution on the trigger blade, providing more comfort for me. I tried putting in the Shadow 2 trigger blade - it fits but it can't be pressed back fully because the trigger guard is smaller and the blade will hit it.

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- Still unavailable (unobtainable) flat safety and flat slide stop.
You could try Shadow 2 parts. For example the right flat safety looks exactly like the S2 part. I want to get the extended right safety for mine and I can probably try the CZ extended right safety - it looks exactly the same as KMR's extended left safety. Chances are the parts provider is the same and they will fit. S2 slide stops will also probably fit. You seem to have a S2 available to you - you can try it out?

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #16 on: December 27, 2023, 12:46:23 PM »
S2 slide stops will also probably fit. You seem to have a S2 available to you - you can try it out?



It fits. Original KMR safety is snug fit, and S2 safety is a loose fit, but it works.
Slide stop is also Shadow 2 flat, it works.

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2023, 12:04:57 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8Z9CEd1Clo
Frame differences explained.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oElN154KToo
L-02 Spectra review in Luxembourgish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKM2-pgu29A
L-02 Umbra (5in, alu frame) in Serbian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa28ElNcoA8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxP8hXrL4P4
L-02 Orca and L-02 Spectra reviews in some unknown language, maybe it is Thai.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyHFh86b-GE
L-02 Spectra in Arabic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCkrMOipnT0
KMR opinion, review by Czech shooter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2jc8cXgJw
Model presentation in French.
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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2023, 06:40:18 AM »
Very interesting! 

I am not familiar with any of the clones.  Is the spherical bushing design used in other pistols? 

The entire pistol looks good to me, but my frame of reference is limited to the production CZ polymer, 75, and 97 pistols, all of which must be a little "looser" than these KMR models. 

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CZ-75B 9mm and Kadet, 97B"E", two P-09's, P-07, P-10C, P-10F, P-10S, MTR

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2023, 10:17:14 AM »
Great post and lots of information. I'm looking forward to when these come to the US.

One thing in the article:  "The 17 employees in his company in Hrad?ovice produce, among other things, trigger parts, grip panels, mini red dot sight mounting plates and the chassis for the CZ TSR sniper rifle as well as many other small parts for CZ weapons. But the close connection with CZ goes a whole step further. This is how the renowned custom pistols such as the CZ 75 TS Czechmate, CZ 75 Shadow 2 Orange and TS Orange were created in small series."

This part isn't completely clear but the part about how "custom pistols such as the CZ 75 TS Czechmate, CZ 75 Shadow 2 Orange and TS Orange were created in small series" makes it sound as if KMR has worked as a subcontractor for CZ and either manufactures parts for these models of CZ pistols, or even the Czechmate and Shadow 2 Orange pistols themselves for CZ. It makes me wonder if these models are made by CZ or subcontracted to KMR.

It's often been said that those specific competition models by CZ were made in limited batches so maybe that would explain why they are sometimes so hard to find.  Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding the wording in the article.

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2023, 11:09:45 AM »
I don't know the exact interrelationship between CZ and KMR. I believe they produce some small parts for CZUB, such as grips, hammers, mag catches, spring guides, gas pedals, sights, red dot mounts, etc. Regarding the Orange and Czechmate models, I think the pistols leave the CZUB factory and then go to KMR for fine-tuning and final assembly.


Ljubisa Momcilovic (CZUB factory shooter) in his Shadow 2 Orange review wrote this:
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"Traditionally, all custom pistol variants from CZUB are labeled as Orange. KMR, a long-time supplier of custom parts to CZUB—providing items like springs, hammers, slide stops, front and rear sights, grips—is tasked with the finalization and modification of the Orange series pistols. Apart from part production, KMR also performs mechanical and manual finishing on standard CZ pistols. This meticulous finishing process results in these pistols being designated as Orange."
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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2023, 02:00:17 PM »
That may explain why I'm having so much trouble locating a Tactical Sport 2 Orange. I've been trying to find one for going on an entire year now since it was introduced.
Maybe KMR is swamped right now doing the finish work on CZ's Orange pistols, and at the same time producing their own pistol.
I sure wish the CZ TS2 Orange would get rolling again for now and I hope KMRs will find their way to the US. We can always use another quality competition pistol.

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2024, 07:17:21 AM »
"Swamped" would be one way to put it. KMR is actively posting on social media but seem to be seldom following up to questions asked on their posts on said social media. The often pictured shooters IPSC Production Optics setups have a replacement flat front sight - does anyone know what product that is? Like here - https://www.instagram.com/p/C0H0Z1mLZ9W/

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« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2024, 10:29:44 AM »
I can't help you with any specific information, but maybe you can find something here to help.  BTW, they make some fine looking firearms.

https://kmrarms.com/en/

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2024, 12:51:44 AM »
KMR still hasn't got their own accessories e-shop open but I see that their models have their "list of parts" CZ-like parts diagrams now posted. See here -> https://kmrarms.com/en/pistols/kmr-l-02-spectra/

I'm nearing 3000 rounds out of my KMR Spectra and it has been flawless. I've since fitted the Holosun 507COMP with the appropriate KMR optics plate. The Spectra is optics ready from the factory.

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2024, 01:45:40 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcifFTAJ2VM

longer review in italian language

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #26 on: April 18, 2024, 01:32:49 PM »
I just reached 4000 rounds from my KMR Spectra. I changed back to original springs a while back. 16lbs main spring and 11lbs recoil spring. With 16lbs recoil spring, the slide wasn't moving fast enough for reliable extraction - had malfunctions. With 13lbs recoil spring, the brass was being extracted reliably but thrown too close. 11lbs recoil spring seems to be the sufficient. This is all with an optic. Also a note that this probably won't correlate with the non-Orange model CZ's as they slide to frame fit is looser.

The increase of double action trigger pull weight you will get used to quite fast. I'm shooting Fiocchi Dynamic Shooting Line 148gr FNCP.

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2024, 04:05:08 PM »
S2 slide stops will also probably fit. You seem to have a S2 available to you - you can try it out?



It fits. Original KMR safety is snug fit, and S2 safety is a loose fit, but it works.
Slide stop is also Shadow 2 flat, it works.
Shooting IPSC level II in Nova Gorica?

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2024, 06:12:41 AM »
I just reached 4000 rounds from my KMR Spectra. I changed back to original springs a while back. 16lbs main spring and 11lbs recoil spring. With 16lbs recoil spring, the slide wasn't moving fast enough for reliable extraction - had malfunctions. With 13lbs recoil spring, the brass was being extracted reliably but thrown too close. 11lbs recoil spring seems to be the sufficient. This is all with an optic. Also a note that this probably won't correlate with the non-Orange model CZ's as they slide to frame fit is looser.

The increase of double action trigger pull weight you will get used to quite fast. I'm shooting Fiocchi Dynamic Shooting Line 148gr FNCP.

I am at ~4000 also with Umbra. Out-of-the-box 14lbs (main) and 11lbs (recoil) are just fine for my 130 PF reloads.

Shooting IPSC level II in Nova Gorica?

I would like to but it is 500km drive (one way) from me.

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Re: KMR W-02 UMBRA review (with pictures) vs. Shadow 2
« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2024, 05:52:45 AM »
https://xrayparts.it/en/247-kmr-arms-parts

finally, some spare parts available