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Offline cracker57

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10 lb limit
« on: November 04, 2023, 08:22:10 AM »
if the doctor gave you a 10 lb lift limit would you pull the handle on a Dillon 650? does anyone know what  the pull weight would be or a way to measure it. I will be laid up for a while and I may keep my sanity if I can reload.
 I will be on the 10 lb limit for a week if all goes well, our opener for deer season will be 10 days after my procedure, hoping to be in the stand...

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2023, 08:53:58 AM »
• The first secret is to lube your cases !
• Second secret is to use a Dillon Strong Mount (or similar) to set the machine well back from the front lip of the bench.
• Third secret is to use the Dillon Roller Handle. Adjust the bench height so that the handle ends up at shoulder height.
Then the 650/750 requirements will be well under 10lbs.

Lube
I prefer Dillon spray lube. I use 1 special towel for the job, over and over. (The towel works better and better as it takes on the excess lube.) Pour 200-300 cases onto the towel, then knock all the standing cases over, finally spray 3 or 4 times from 36" away. Then roll up the towel and jostle all the cases together. Then place the desired number of cases into the Case Feeder. (With the Dillon Lube there is no drying time requirement.)

Roller Handle
If you are 50 or older, then you should have the Roller Handle option to reduce shoulder strain anyway.

Strong Mount
These mounts not only give the press and wider and longer "footprint" on the bench top, they allow the machine to be set further back from the weaker front edge of the bench. The whole idea is to reduce bench flexing. ANY movement of the bench is being powered by your back. Obviously, bench flex contributes nothing to the production of ammo, so it is in reality the visible sign of totally wasted energy. It is EXTRA muscular effort you must exert that only contributes to shoulder and back pain. Often times, adding a simple 2x2 leg directly beneath the press is all it takes to stiffen an ill-placed reloading press.






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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2023, 09:54:46 AM »
Thanks wobbly,
 I do lube my cases,Makes  the 650 run waaaaay smoother. My bench is set up to load sitting and is solid as cement. I do not have the roller handle and don't have an issue with the ball handle but have never tried a roller handle and will order one to give it a whirl. since I am older than 50 even 60 but haven't hit 70.
thanks again.

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2023, 11:41:28 AM »
I just used my trigger pull weight gauge to cycle my 1050 (with no cases), and it read less than 5 lbs. It's possible that lubed bases will keep you under 10 lbs

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2023, 11:51:00 AM »
thanks crawl,
 sounds like its a go for pulling the handle, good news to hear. now I just order my bullets, so the trick will be getting them from the front porch to the basement, only order 1000 so it shouldn't be too many trips.

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2023, 06:16:47 PM »
if the doctor gave you a 10 lb lift limit would you pull the handle on a Dillon 650? does anyone know what  the pull weight would be or a way to measure it. I will be laid up for a while and I may keep my sanity if I can reload.
 I will be on the 10 lb limit for a week if all goes well, our opener for deer season will be 10 days after my procedure, hoping to be in the stand...

there are ways to measure it.

but what i do is to use the KISS principle.  I would contact dillon and ask them first.

but why not just enjoy the rest/down time and then once you are recovered. not worry about any limitations?

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2023, 11:25:48 PM »
 Or have your wife do the pulling for you  O0

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2023, 11:07:22 AM »
My bench is set up to load sitting and is solid as cement. 

It doesn't matter. Sitting or standing... the ball or roller should be (approximately) the same height as your shoulder. You can raise/lower the bench, or chair/stool.


I do not have the roller handle and don't have an issue with the ball handle but have never tried a roller handle and will order one to give it a whirl, since I am older than 50 even 60 but haven't hit 70.

• Dillon used to sell the Handle both as an aluminum roller and a plastic roller. I bought the plastic model a decade ago and it's been doing great. So there's no need to spend the extra money.

InLine Fabrication also sells an "Ergo Handle" which is roughly equivalent.
https://inlinefabrication.com/collections/dillon/products/dillion-650-powdercoated
It may be longer than the Dillon version, which will reduce the force requirement, BUT also may make you move away in your chair as the handle passes in front of you.

• Either way, since there is next to zero wear... this is a good piece to buy on eBay. Several new and used examples there today.

• What the handle does is spread the operating force over a larger portion of your hand, and sets the hand in a much more comfortable position.
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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2023, 08:46:37 AM »
It also depends on what you are reloading.  If it is a 38 spl then it would probably be about 1 lb.  Other calibers could be a lot more. 
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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2023, 02:54:48 PM »
Floor pedal/step possible? Doesn't seem like it would be an engineering marvel to rig. So you will need a knee AND shoulder joint replacement. :( I have a shoulder joint replacement scheduled for early 2024. I definitely get the challenge you're talking about.

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2023, 03:06:19 PM »
Can't answer the question directly, but wanted to pitch what I had.  Wobbly's info is spot on, as usual.
  Wife says I'm accident prone.  Not so sure myself, but I've spent a lot of time recuperating, and absolutely hate every minute of it.  When younger, I pretty much did all that I could.  As I've entered older age, the distinction between sprain and strain becomes more important, and quite frankly we don't always know that we've hurt ourselves!  Well, me anyway.
  So first, there's a difference between "lift limit" and "pull limit," complicated by the fact that both can depend greatly on what exactly your physical issue is.  The one thing that is for sure is that you don't want to make It worse.  I'd ask my doc this question if I was concerned!
  Secondly, 10 lbs (or whatever) is usually a very conservative best-guess, and I've rarely gotten into trouble exceeding that without my body telling me to stop.  Best listen to that, more so than the docs!
  And thirdly, I'm assuming that the limit is caused by something other than the right arm, but I reloaded several hours a day left handed after having my right wrist rebuilt a few years ago.  It was fine, just slow, and I actually learned a lot!  It was fun to have the time to devote to experimentation.
  Don't have a Dillon, but one thing I did that was alluded to in the posts above is hang sort of a small trapeze from the end of the arm on my T7, that hung below the bench where I could get my foot on it.  The first week or so after surgery any strain of any kind seemed to "go to the wrist."  Wife helped me rig it.  I could do everything with my left without exerting except bottom out, and I just stuck my toes on top of that trapeze and pressed a bit, worked great!
  Good for you for wanting to keep at it!  Sitting around is for, well, . . ., don't do that.

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2023, 03:11:07 PM »
Floor pedal/step possible? Doesn't seem like it would be an engineering marvel to rig.

It's not, and at least one shotgun reloading system comes with a stirrup for foot op.


I have a shoulder joint replacement scheduled for early 2024.

At least your down-time was planned !!   :'(



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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2023, 03:53:39 PM »
Thanks again for all the great tips, I will be loading 9MM.
 Yes wobbly's tip are always spot on....
 I will for sure listen to the body, more so than the docs.
 I know its only going to be a week, but for me to sit and do nothing for a week would drive me crazy..
 

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2023, 08:02:28 AM »
WOW Wobbly! That's an impressive number of pins/screws. Was Home Depot having a hardware sale?  ;) Your surgeon was a more is better kinda guy? Should I ask how ya did it so I won't ever?? Hope you aren't a left handed shooter!

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Re: 10 lb limit
« Reply #14 on: November 07, 2023, 09:50:45 AM »
WOW Wobbly! That's an impressive number of pins/screws. Was Home Depot having a hardware sale?  ;) Your surgeon was a 'more is better' kinda guy?

I did ask the surgeon if he got a new drill motor for Christmas !!   ;D


Should I ask how ya did it so I won't ever?? Hope you aren't a left handed shooter!

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