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Offline trucker512000

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Older p-09 19 round magazines
« on: November 27, 2023, 04:25:49 PM »
Does anyone know what the older p-09 magazines will interchange with. I just had my p-09 blow apart, and I have 6 magazines. Don't know I want to buy another p-09, just wondering if they will fit in any other guns I know they won't work with the p-10.

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2023, 05:35:23 PM »
p09
p10f
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not sure if older ones are different

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2023, 07:15:50 PM »
P07.  A bit long, but they work.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2023, 07:25:34 PM »
Had to go check since you made me think about it.

I just pushed a P09 .40 magazine up in my M&P FS 9MM (1.0) model) and the magazine locked right in.

Can't say it'll feed/function, yet.  But now I've got to go the range and see if it will.

The P09 magazine is a tad loose in the M&P but I can squeeze the grip frame enough with my right hand to remove the wiggle/noise.

If I lived out in the country I'd be on the back porch right now running a magazine of 9MM ammo (or trying to) through the M&P and P09 9MM magazine.

Now, to go see if the FS 9MM M&P mag. will lock up in the P09 frame (kind of think it won't as the P09 magazine sticks out the bottom of the M&P frame about 1/2".  Would fit great for a FS M&P with a mag. well on it though.

edited to add - The M&P 17 round mag is too short to lock up in the P09 frame.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2023, 05:34:43 AM by M1A4ME »
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2023, 12:28:14 AM »
p09
p10f
Dan wesson dwx

not sure if older ones are different

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Older ones are different.
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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2023, 09:12:33 AM »
I just had my p-09 blow apart, and I have 6 magazines.


I'd like some photos please and your analysis of what happened.

What ammo were you shooting ??
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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2023, 10:21:09 AM »

Original P09 mags do not have the cuts to make them
Work with P10.  The tube will fit but you would need to get them cut to accommodate the mag release.
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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2023, 02:58:59 PM »
I don't think was a double charge. Looks like the case head is separated or it fired out of battery. Case (without head) is still in barrel. Only damage is to polymer frame on both sides. Can't figure how to insert pictures. Might have to buy another P-09 since I've found for $300.

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2023, 03:12:37 PM »
Hope these pictures show up.




« Last Edit: November 29, 2023, 08:54:37 AM by Wobbly »

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2023, 07:48:30 AM »
Wow.  Hope that never happens to one of mine.

Had something similar happen in my Pre B CZ85 one day and it did zero damage to the gun.  Had to take the barrel out to get the case walls out of the chamber.  It was extra dirty inside as well.  I wondered, at the time, if such an event would have damaged my P07 or P09.

That appears to have damaged the controls on the frame as well.  Must have really swelled up around the bottom of the chamber area.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2023, 09:37:03 AM »
I don't think was a double charge. Looks like the case head is separated or it fired out of battery.

No sir.
1) The gun did not go into battery.
2) The weak brass case, which was left in an "unsupported" position, then blew out due to the 33,000 PSI chamber pressure. The brass case is always counting on being fully reinforced by the steel of the slide and barrel.


Can't figure how to insert pictures.

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=93202.0  Please read the FULL, complete instruction set.


Might have to buy another P-09 since I've found for $300.

Whether factory or handloaded, I highly suggest you first spend some time in the Stickies found at the top of the Ammo & Handloading forum. The CZ chamber is rather picky about the ammo you feed it. There is a complete set of instructions for handloaders, and a separate set of instructions and tests for "store bought" ammo.

There is NO standardization of auto pistol handgun chambers. Which translates into "Just because you can reload it or buy it, does NOT make it safe to shoot."

You were lucky. The case blew out the bottom, directing all the energy downward and away from your fingers and face. You may not be so lucky next time.

This is a completely preventable accident. The root cause is "operator error", brought on by a lack of understanding/ lack of education. Let me encourage you to remedy that before you hurt yourself, or (even worse) the person standing next to you. Let me remind you that hurting the person standing next to you could have devastating consequences for your financial future.

All the best.
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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2023, 08:22:44 PM »
Had to pull my two .40's down (P07 DUTY and P09) unload, manipulate them, field strip, manipulate them, reassemble, manipulate them and finally go grab a couple unused #2 pencils from my old box.

If the slide is back all the way to the alignment marks on the slide and frame the firing pin isn't getting hit hard enough to bump the pencil.

Let the slide forward just a bit, to where the frame alignment mark is lined up with the rear notch and it still won't contact the pencil.

Let the slide forward enough to allow the frame alignment mark to align with the rear most full width section of slide at the back of the slide and it will launch the pencil. 

The hammer is hitting the bottom rear of the slide if the slide is back very much at all - but it can almost be all the way forward and the hammer will hit the firing pin and launch the pencil.

Now, is that small amount that launches that allows pencil launch enough to be the problem?

Neither the P07 or P09 allow the barrel to move downwards at the rear of the chamber/hood until the slide notch has passed rearward of the alignment marks.  Even as the slide moves further rearward the barrel only drops, it does not begin to open the gap between the rear of the barrel and the breech face until the slide moves even further to the rear. 

No chance of the hammer hitting the firing pin on my two pistols with the slide farther enough back to open up the gap between the slide and barrel hood.

So, what else could set off a round when the slide wasn't forward far enough to allow the hammer to strike the firing pin?  Or set the round off while the slide was still moving forward?

Go ahead and dig your P07/P09 pistols out, unload them and test it on yours.  Might be some out there different than mine.

Right now I'm loading mine up and nursing my sore/tender trigger finger from the way I was using the rear sight to pull/hold the slide back while trying to keep the alignment notches visible.

Ain't this stuff fun?

OP, did you pick up the rim/base of your failed brass.  I got mine when it happened to me with the CZ85.  When the slide came back it dropped the rim/base on the bench right in front of me.  The brass case walls stayed in the chamber, like yours did.

Rim base off to the right of the next round in the magazine that I cleared when it failed to chamber.  You can see how "smoked" it is from the gases that went down the frame/magazine.  It clearly had an indentation in the primer.  At the time everyone pretty much concluded it was a bad piece of brass.  Others reported having the same thing happen to them. 


A few months later while resizing 9MM brass I had the rim/base pull off and had a tough time getting the brass case walls out of the resizing die.



Might not be an OOB and might not be the poor P09's fault.

My P09 9MM is the best shooting centerfire semi auto I've ever had.  It would hurt my feeling bad to have it end up like the OPs pistol.  We know all pistols are not created equal (in the performance categories anyway).
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2023, 04:35:14 PM »
trucker512000, you might want to call CZ.  Sometimes the gun manufacturers will take pity on you and fix or replace it for free or at a low price.

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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2023, 10:11:47 PM »
M1A4ME -
Any idea how many times that particular case had been reloaded ? Bottle neck rifle cases will separate at the head like that after 10 reloads. It's due to the brass creeping forward during Sizing, which is why you need to keep trimming rifle brass.

Pistol brass doesn't grow like that, but just the same.
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Re: Older p-09 19 round magazines
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2023, 05:14:39 AM »
M1A4ME -
Any idea how many times that particular case had been reloaded ? Bottle neck rifle cases will separate at the head like that after 10 reloads. It's due to the brass creeping forward during Sizing, which is why you need to keep trimming rifle brass.

Pistol brass doesn't grow like that, but just the same.
Sorry, no idea.  I just remember at least one other member saying he'd had the same style of case failure one time and had attributed it to weak brass due, in part, to all the reports of problems with that brand of brass/ammo.  I don't remember the brand, off hand, but I'll try to find my original thread on it.
I just keep wasting time and money on other brands trying to find/make one shoot like my P07 and P09.  What is wrong with me?