CZ P10's Easiest Way to distinguish where they are made?

[RickFlorida]

Hi everyone, Thanks for letting me join the forum.

I purchased a new CZ P10 C non optic ready just a few days ago (around 12/11/23).

Since there's a CZ USA company that both makes and imports CZ's, it's really confusing to me how to tell what parts are made where. The reason I want to know is because the Czech republic made pistols should have cold hammer forged barrels. That requires a lot of set-up, tooling, and investment compared to button rifling. My understanding is that the Kansas City made P10's will not not have CHF barrels. The entire reason to me for purchasing a CZ is because if of it's durability, duty life, and robustness. In my opinion, all CZ's should have the same standards/process in manufacturing in production regardless of where the factory is. This is how Toyota approaches production. Anyways....

Do I understand correctly that my non optic ready P10-C that does have the In-House CZ triable proof and 2 digit year on the slide indicates that it was made in Czech Republic and thus should have a CHF barrel?  I think I read that the Kansas City made slides/barrels will not have the Triangle proof. Is this correct?
The confusion to me is that while my slide does have the Czech in-house triangle proof, the bottom of the gun has "Kansas City" I assume since they imported it...but then I have "made in Czech Republic" on the frame.  So confusing!
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[alp3367]

 That's a Czech made gun. The giveaway is the "Made in Czech Republic" marking...

[RickFlorida]

Oh thank God, thanks!

So it sounds like when they put a little "Kansas City" marking under the gun, it's because CZ USA imports and distributes them.
But you sound correct that the triangle CZ proof mark and 2 digit year indicates  Czech republic origin.  And now I realized why it says "made in Czech republic" but that was on the polymer frame so I wasnt' sure in the beginning if that meant just the frame.

Now I'm good, thank you! I love CZ.

And even the non CHF P10's are robust, I honestly wouldn't know the real difference in a 200,000 round duty life barrel and a 150,000 duty life barrel, etc.

What is all of your opinions on Kansas City not doing CHF barrels on their USA made CZ's? Do you all think they did this to avoid paying for the tooling/setup?  I think they should drop the price of those guns a little if the duty life is not as long for the barrels.

[Grendel]

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[alp3367]

What is all of your opinions on Kansas City not doing CHF barrels on their USA made CZ's? Do you all think they did this to avoid paying for the tooling/setup?  I think they should drop the price of those guns a little if the duty life is not as long for the barrels.

 Doesn't matter to me. There has been tons written on this over the years, especially from competitive rifle shooters (that last I knew they still prefer button rifled). To summarize at a super high level CFH = more durable, BR = more accurate. Neither of those would really better a factor for me on a P-10, or similar pistol. For a service pistol either type of barrel will be plenty accurate and plenty durable. It's when you start getting into finessing the final bits of accuracy (lots lof high end barrel makers like Lilja use BH) or preserving barrel life from something that wears them out fast (high rate of fire or very high velocity) that the differences become more noticable, in my opinion.

[RickFlorida]

Okay, thanks guys.

And I will check the sticky posts. Perhaps I missed previous posts that explain how to distinguish where P10's are made.

It would be far less confusing if CZ USA simply stamped "imported by" or "distributed by" Kansas City on the bottom. Otherwise, it says both "made in Czech" and Kansas City on it at the same time and is confusing.

In fact, it's obvious to me that when it's imported, it does not yet have have "Kansas City" on the bottom or U.S. customs would not accept them because the country of origin would be indistinguishable to me.

[alp3367]

Okay, thanks guys.

And I will check the sticky posts. Perhaps I missed previous posts that explain how to distinguish where P10's are made.

It would be far less confusing if CZ USA simply stamped "imported by" or "distributed by" Kansas City on the bottom. Otherwise, it says both "made in Czech" and Kansas City on it at the same time and is confusing.

In fact, it's obvious to me that when it's imported, it does not yet have have "Kansas City" on the bottom or U.S. customs would not accept them because the country of origin would be indistinguishable to me.

 US made ones do not say "Made in Czech Republic". Czech made guns imported by CZ-USA are all stamped Kansas City, KS. However, you are wrong, that stamping is done at UB and they come into the country with the KC import mark already on them. Without getting into the nitty gritty of import regulations it is the norm for stuff produced over sees for the US market to be stamped with the US location prior to being sent to the US. It's much more of a headache to do it after import and customs clearance, which is why you tend to only see that on surplus stuff or oddball situations.

 How CZ-USA firearms (and firearms from ANY importer) are stamped is not up to them. It is a very specific set of requirements they must adhere to. You can vary it a bit, like exact location as long as ATF considers it "conspicuous". However, most of it is very specific set of requirements down to minimum engraving depth.

[guitarman1]

Mine is simply marked with "MADE IN CZECH REPUBLIC. CZ"

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

Something else everyone is missing here is that the overseas guns all have the serial numbers on the frame, the slide and the barrel hood. US made guns only have the frame serialized.

[RickFlorida]

Something else everyone is missing here is that the overseas guns all have the serial numbers on the frame, the slide and the barrel hood. US made guns only have the frame serialized.

Good point, I'd like to take better photos and show everyone this but i"m know to this forum. What ist he format to display hosted images or they can only be linked and are never displayed?

My Czech made P10C that I just purchased indeed as the 2 digit year, serial number, and the in-house CZ triangle proof mark but I didn't think to look for anything on the barrel. Where on the barrel exactly would one find the barrel hood? Is it at the top, side, bottom?  Thanks

[RickFlorida]

Okay, thanks guys.

And I will check the sticky posts. Perhaps I missed previous posts that explain how to distinguish where P10's are made.

It would be far less confusing if CZ USA simply stamped "imported by" or "distributed by" Kansas City on the bottom. Otherwise, it says both "made in Czech" and Kansas City on it at the same time and is confusing.

In fact, it's obvious to me that when it's imported, it does not yet have have "Kansas City" on the bottom or U.S. customs would not accept them because the country of origin would be indistinguishable to me.

 US made ones do not say "Made in Czech Republic". Czech made guns imported by CZ-USA are all stamped Kansas City, KS. However, you are wrong, that stamping is done at UB and they come into the country with the KC import mark already on them. Without getting into the nitty gritty of import regulations it is the norm for stuff produced over sees for the US market to be stamped with the US location prior to being sent to the US. It's much more of a headache to do it after import and customs clearance, which is why you tend to only see that on surplus stuff or oddball situations.

 How CZ-USA firearms (and firearms from ANY importer) are stamped is not up to them. It is a very specific set of requirements they must adhere to. You can vary it a bit, like exact location as long as ATF considers it "conspicuous". However, most of it is very specific set of requirements down to minimum engraving depth.

Thank you! Now this is the kind of details I was looking for. Now we are talking and thank you for sharing. I'm more of a collector than a shooter so I'm way into details like this.