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Offline TJNewton

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Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« on: December 21, 2023, 03:17:22 AM »
I went to the range and shot from magazines that were loaded with 28 rounds back in May of 2019.  The feed lips looked normal, perfectly parallel, and everything worked without a hitch.

I had another mag that was loaded at the same time with 30 rounds.  The right feed lip was off kilter by about 1-2mm to the right at the top.  Racking the bolt led to a small jam that was cleared by pushing the carrier forward with minimal force.  I removed the magazine, ejected the round, placed the round back in the magazine, and racked the bolt again with the same small jam and clearing with a slight push.  Other than that the magazine fed all 30 rounds without any problems.

It seems that long-term storage of VZ58 magazines with 28 rounds is fine but that 30 rounds could be problematic. 


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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2023, 09:49:49 AM »
How many 28 round mags?  And just one 30 round mag?  Were all of these used surplus or excellent/unissued?

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2023, 03:25:13 PM »
Four mags with 28 rounds, one with 30.  The mags are all surplus in NOS/unissued condition.  I have some other surplus mags that look extremely beat up and have worked perfectly but I haven't done the storing-while-loaded test with them.

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2023, 11:15:22 PM »
I've been doing that for years with any 30rd magazine of any gun.  28 rounds and the spring is fine.  Those last 2 really seem to compress it a lot more.

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2023, 08:46:08 AM »
Four mags with 28 rounds, one with 30.  The mags are all surplus in NOS/unissued condition.  I have some other surplus mags that look extremely beat up and have worked perfectly but I haven't done the storing-while-loaded test with them.

Thanks!  One last question -- did you test fire before loading?

With a block of wood and a mallet, are you able to bring it back into alignment with the other feedlip?  Curious if that would hold shape @ 28 for a month or two and function...

I think I have some mags around here that have been loaded at 30 for a few years...  Might dig them out and put them through their paces!

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2023, 05:12:31 PM »
Four mags with 28 rounds, one with 30.  The mags are all surplus in NOS/unissued condition.  I have some other surplus mags that look extremely beat up and have worked perfectly but I haven't done the storing-while-loaded test with them.

Thanks!  One last question -- did you test fire before loading?


I shot the four mags loaded with 28 rounds first, all without problem, then shot the 30-round mag, which is the one that had a minor hang up with chambering.  All five mags have been in regular rotation for years.  I did see in my notes that the rifle had a similar, solitary minor jam long ago, so it may be the rifle, the mag, or just a coincidence.

I specifically pulled out the mag loaded to 30 to test as I was rearranging my gear and noticed that the right feed lip was askew.  I don't know if it was like that when I got it, or if it had stretched from being loaded to 30.  I haven't tried to correct it yet.  The test I did with the mags loaded to 28 and the one to 30 was the definition of unscientific.  It was an afterthought as I had no specific plan to do so when I loaded them years ago.  I tried to imply that uncertainty with words like "seem" and "could", and I apologize if it came off as a rigorous process.  I vaguely remember reading on this board or elsewhere a Bonesteel post in which he said the magic number is 29 rounds, and that he had noticed feed lips spreading when loaded to 30 rounds and stored long term. 

That Bonesteel post is what caused me to load the mags to a more conservative 28 rounds, and that post may very well have colored my perception of the recent impromptu "test".  Of course, to do it right would need direct intent and then waiting several years for resolution.  I'll be interested to hear your outcomes. 

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2023, 11:59:09 PM »
Springs fail from cycles, not sitting compressed.

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2023, 06:45:05 AM »
Springs fail from cycles, not sitting compressed.

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True, but the point was more so whether or not loading a mag fully to 30 rounds long term would distort the feed lips and decrease function.

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2023, 08:31:44 PM »
So storing 30 for extended periods permanently ruins the mag?

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2023, 03:31:41 AM »
So storing 30 for extended periods permanently ruins the mag?
Don't know for certain.  That's a long-existing rumor among several types of mags, although those usually address spring compression, and my sample was just one magazine.  According to some posts and possibly my experience, keeping 30 rounds loaded long term could spread the feed lips of the aluminum VZ58 magazines.  I'm not 100% certain the feed lips on that one magazine were perfectly straight prior to loading 30 rounds, and even with the askew feed lip it fed rounds 2-30 without a problem.  When I use that magazine again, I'll post the results.

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2023, 02:22:15 PM »
So storing 30 for extended periods permanently ruins the mag?
Don't know for certain.  That's a long-existing rumor among several types of mags, although those usually address spring compression, and my sample was just one magazine.  According to some posts and possibly my experience, keeping 30 rounds loaded long term could spread the feed lips of the aluminum VZ58 magazines.  I'm not 100% certain the feed lips on that one magazine were perfectly straight prior to loading 30 rounds, and even with the askew feed lip it fed rounds 2-30 without a problem.  When I use that magazine again, I'll post the results.


Have you got any pics of the distorted mag feed lips?

I leave several of my 30 rd. Vz58 mags fully loaded, at the ready at all times, but have never noticed this issue or had any feed problems. These are all either the matte black aluminum surplus mags from Czechpoint or the shiny gray NOS issue mags from Numrich that used to sell for $20 a pop.

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2023, 05:15:00 PM »
Don't know for certain.  That's a long-existing rumor among several types of mags, although those usually address spring compression, and my sample was just one magazine.

Looks like you're referencing beyond Vz58, and for ARs for instance, it's 28 rounds for easier insert/more certain retention on closed bolt and reduce spring pressure on top rounds that can lead to malfunctions when using a dirty gun. 

I don't believe either applies to a Vz58.

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Re: Storing VZ58 mags loaded
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2023, 01:16:29 AM »
Don't know for certain.  That's a long-existing rumor among several types of mags, although those usually address spring compression, and my sample was just one magazine.

Looks like you're referencing beyond Vz58, and for ARs for instance, it's 28 rounds for easier insert/more certain retention on closed bolt and reduce spring pressure on top rounds that can lead to malfunctions when using a dirty gun. 

I don't believe either applies to a Vz58.

I agree.  My concern was the effect on feed lips.