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Offline amcline82

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2024, 08:43:09 PM »
I know who the firearm guy is and don’t care for him or any of the other YouTubers. For this guy to get this type of reaction from his video tells me lots of people need to formulate their opinion and not steal other peoples.
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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2024, 10:22:39 PM »
I know who the firearm guy is and don’t care for him or any of the other YouTubers. For this guy to get this type of reaction from his video tells me lots of people need to formulate their opinion and not steal other peoples.

Well maybe you could clarify this in an intellectual way if possible without the reference to maybe your favorite part of the human anatomy. I think most posters here are forming their own opinion. I know I have. That you disagree with them or the firearm guy is well your opinion in itself.
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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2024, 11:04:01 PM »
Opinions are like A holes everyone has one.

This deserves an upvote for the most original saying ever. Never before has such a profound remark been made and so apropos. Genius!

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2024, 11:10:16 PM »
Keep the scatological comments for the bar please. Any more and people will be getting a metaphorical slap.
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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2024, 11:48:45 AM »
Ah this is so interesting.  CZ bought Colt? I had no idea.  I wonder if this is why I was so confused when I first went into the market of modern firearms (my background is more of a collector of WW2 pistols and knew about CZ only from that standpoint).

I thought it was really odd when I bought my first CZ P10C (a Czech made 2023 model recently) but learned that CZ makes P10's in Kansas City as well with totally different methods for the same gun. (At least the barrel is made completely differently in Kansas City, they use button rifling instead of cold hammer forging that requires a large set-up cost before they can be turned out).

Is this why Kansas City can make CZ pistols now? Does that have to do with Colt being purchased by CZ or was CZ factory in Kansas City in existence before the Colt thing?

Is CZ the only company that allows their pistols to be made differently if it has the same model number? Like does Glock or Beretta do that too?

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2024, 04:48:10 PM »

Is this why Kansas City can make CZ pistols now? Does that have to do with Colt being purchased by CZ or was CZ factory in Kansas City in existence before the Colt thing?

 KC/US production of CZ models was not related to the Colt purchase and had started a few years before.

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« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2024, 08:50:34 PM »
But Colt happens to be in Easter Kansas out of 50 states, and Kansas City is where the USA made versions of P10's are made.

How is it not related?  What I mean is, when I first found out that CZ was making pistols in USA, I had assumed that CZ had decided to create their own factories in USA. But now that I know Colt was purchased by CZ, they decided to use Colt to make some of their guns I guess?   I'll have to do some more research.  Pretty interesting. Not sure I like any of this as a collector but guess I have to face the fact that time changes things.

I wonder now was if it was Colt engineers/executives who decided to make some of the P10 parts differently then at the factory in Czech? Do we know what else is different from the Kansas City P10's? Do they use the same alloy steel, the same amount of hardness test stamps during production?   I think I went into a rabbit hole but this Colt connection has me curious. Didn't someone already state that no original CZ employees that were previously in USA are still here?

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2024, 08:52:32 PM »
<snippage!>

 Not sure I like any of this as a collector but guess I have to face the fact that time changes things.

<li'l snips>

As a collector you now have more models to collect. :)  Win/win, no?

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2024, 08:53:55 PM »
<snippage!>

 Not sure I like any of this as a collector but guess I have to face the fact that time changes things.

<li'l snips>

As a collector you now have more models to collect. :)  Win/win, no?
Good point! I like it.

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2024, 09:38:14 PM »
But Colt happens to be in Easter Kansas out of 50 states, and Kansas City is where the USA made versions of P10's are made.


 I don't know what you're talking about. Colt is in West Hartford CT and CZ-USA was producing stuff in the US years prior to the CZ Group acquisition of Colt. Also, P10s are no longer made in KC as of last year or so.

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2024, 09:20:51 AM »
But Colt happens to be in Easter Kansas out of 50 states, and Kansas City is where the USA made versions of P10's are made.


 I don't know what you're talking about. Colt is in West Hartford CT and CZ-USA was producing stuff in the US years prior to the CZ Group acquisition of Colt. Also, P10s are no longer made in KC as of last year or so.

Thanks for correcting me, I made a mistake and forgot it's CT.  Thank you!

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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2024, 12:48:18 PM »
What has hurt CZ pistols is that they have failed to get a good share of the subcompact-micro market with features over what other brands offer.

Everyone sings the praises, and rightfully so, of the CZ75 series both full-size and compact with polymer and aluminum frames.

The P-10 family seldom registers a great review, and many hard-nosed CZ pistol enthusiasts don't care for them and see them in the category of "more money for fewer features than most other pistols." A late-comer to that segment with nothing outstanding. It appears to be a stab at the market, but no pizzaz and repetitious of past brands of pistols of several years ago.

My last three pistol purchases were not CZs. The first 3 9mms I've bought in 17 years have not been CZs.

I'm not a competitor, but I do know that CZ makes great guns for that sport. I'm glad they do as that design may trickle down into other models.

But the P-10 series is boring, far less a CZ original than a 'parts put together' handgun, and seems to be a market afterthought rather the CZ standard of excellence.

I realize many here on this forum will sing praises to the P-10 series. I'm glad they enjoy and shoot them. But outside this forum, the P-10 appears to be absent from minds. Even LGS that carry CZs, rarely have more than 2 P-10s out and have been in stock for months, but sell a bunch of CZ75 series. They also have the P-10 style in other pistol brands that customers buy because they value other pistols that have more features that matter to them for the same price.

I believe there's a great market for CZ in that segment. But so far, the P-10 series isn't cutting it. CZ needs innovation, not repetition.


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Re: The Firearmguy on YouTube paints a bleak picture........
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2024, 02:55:08 PM »
What has hurt CZ pistols is that they have failed to get a good share of the subcompact-micro market with features over what other brands offer.

Everyone sings the praises, and rightfully so, of the CZ75 series both full-size and compact with polymer and aluminum frames.

The P-10 family seldom registers a great review, and many hard-nosed CZ pistol enthusiasts don't care for them and see them in the category of "more money for fewer features than most other pistols." A late-comer to that segment with nothing outstanding. It appears to be a stab at the market, but no pizzaz and repetitious of past brands of pistols of several years ago.

My last three pistol purchases were not CZs. The first 3 9mms I've bought in 17 years have not been CZs.

I'm not a competitor, but I do know that CZ makes great guns for that sport. I'm glad they do as that design may trickle down into other models.

But the P-10 series is boring, far less a CZ original than a 'parts put together' handgun, and seems to be a market afterthought rather the CZ standard of excellence.

I realize many here on this forum will sing praises to the P-10 series. I'm glad they enjoy and shoot them. But outside this forum, the P-10 appears to be absent from minds. Even LGS that carry CZs, rarely have more than 2 P-10s out and have been in stock for months, but sell a bunch of CZ75 series. They also have the P-10 style in other pistol brands that customers buy because they value other pistols that have more features that matter to them for the same price.

I believe there's a great market for CZ in that segment. But so far, the P-10 series isn't cutting it. CZ needs innovation, not repetition.

Oh I dunno, I have several CZs and am contemplating a P-10S to retire my G48. The P-10 series is well thought of by many, I'm adding a video by a competitive shooter to demonstrate another's opinion on the P-10 series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0w5ptMmDx4&t=43s&pp=ygULcDEwYyByZXZpZXc%3D