New P09 C, first trip to range

[Chevron Guy]

Took the new  P09 C for it's first walk in the "5 yard park". 120 rounds. 50 with Blazer 124, ran 100%. 50 with Sellier & Bellot 115, with 3 FTFeed, 20 rounds with Fed HST 124 and had at least 5 FTFeed. DOES NOT LIKE HST! I think the leading edge of the bullet contour of the JHP is hitting the top inside of the barrel entry (throat) ;  the feed ramp on the P09 is short and steep.
The P09 is soooo much softer to shoot than the P01. But, seems to be ammo sensitive. Not the case with my Shadow 2's.
Do you think polishing the feed ramp would make much of a diff on the FTF issue? What JHP ammo is anybody shooting that feeds well?

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I would not attempt anything till the gun has been broken in with at least 500 rounds of good quality practice ammo then see how it does. Some CZ's need a break in some do not. If it still fails after that I'd still contact CZ and make them fix it under warranty. Other than mostly cosmetics and the addition of an optic cut these guns are the same as the P-07/09 and there's no excuse for them to be having these issues after all these years.

[Wobbly]

Agree with the above. Give the HST another try after 500.

[twentytwocal]

I have the P09c Nocturne and have shot about 400 rounds through it with zero malfunctions. It is my current EDC. My cajunized P01 shoots better, but I like the optic on the P09c with my aging eyes.

[Joe L]

..., 20 rounds with Fed HST 124 and had at least 5 FTFeed. DOES NOT LIKE HST! I think the leading edge of the bullet contour of the JHP is hitting the top inside of the barrel entry (throat) ;  the feed ramp on the P09 is short and steep.

 What JHP ammo is anybody shooting that feeds well?

If the ramp, etc, is the same as the P-09 and P-07, then Atlanta Arms 115 gr JHP runs 100%.  But that ammo is not very hot.  The bullet shape, however, seems to be fine for the CZ dimensions and ramp shape.  It is almost conical instead of a bulging and rounded in a side view.  Since I don't reload, and since I pretty much standardized on the AA 115 JHP over 10 years ago for both range and carry, I don't even know how to describe the bullet shape and certainly haven't kept up with other options. 

I have one other recommendation and that is IMI 115 gr JHP.  It also runs 100% in all my CZ's.  And it is accurate and consistent in the 4" and 4.5" pistols, maybe a little less consistent in the 3.5" P-10S than the AA.  I am thinking the powder burn rate is a little slower than the AA powder, but, here again, I don't claim much knowledge in this area. 

I am sure there are other JHP rounds that will work, but I have no need or desire to do any research.  I have two excellent options with thousands of rounds of experience with each with no feeding problems and with proven consistency and accuracy.   I'm not even willing to try 124 gr versions.  I'm old and bullheaded...but I get good results.

Joe L

[Chevron Guy]

Sending it back to CZ. Spoke to them after 500 rounds, they agreed that having the S&B ammo  continuing to FTF was bad. They said "send it in".  We'll see, I like it, but it has to eat reliably.

[Whereisit]

Hope it works out for you man and they get it fixed. I bought one from the used section at Cabela's but  it didn't look like it's been shot or shot much at all. I have 200 rounds of Blazer and another hundred rounds of HST. Not one malfunction as of yet. I did not expect to like the po9c but it turned out to be one of my favorites. I'm now trying to find an appendix holster so I can start carrying it.

[Chevron Guy]

Thanks. I think it's that steep loading ramp. Compared the HST, S&B, Blazer and some new Federal American Eagle. Both the Blazer and Am Eagle fed just fine. The others are just a tad taller and are hitting the top edge of the throat. I hope CZ can get it squared away, feeding HST is manditory and if no soap, going to look at the H&K p30sk.

[SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM]

I hope CZ can get it squared away, feeding HST is manditory and if no soap, going to look at the H&K p30sk.

I hope CZ fixes this. These guns simply should not be ammo sensitive in 2024. As far as the P30SK goes I thought I wanted one a few years back until I actually found one in stock and handled it. I hated they way it felt in my hand and both examples they had in the case had the worst triggers I've come across. You may find you like that model I certainly lost interest in a hurry.

[VegasScorpion]

I have 2 P-10Cs and 2 P-10Fs. They all eat HST's all day.

[jaegersapper]

My P09 C has been reliable, it just shoots really low.  I have to hold the sights like this o°o or higher to get it center mass.

JS

[Wobbly]

Do you think polishing the feed ramp would make much of a diff on the FTF issue? What JHP ammo is anybody shooting that feeds well?

Polishing the feed ramp never hurts, but on all the CZ's I've ever played with that seems to have been taken case of. Still, if you have the ability... it's certainly cheaper and faster than sending it back.

A steeper feed ramp means the center of the ogive becomes more important during feeding. Any sharp edges around the expansion hole that can catch on the ramp then become critical. And of course, due to the central expansion hole on any HP bullet, the ramp sees the oncoming bullet as having a flat meplat. As I've talked about in the Stickies on the Ammunition and Handloading sub-forum... The designers of the CZ pistols do not have access to any type of hollow point ammo for their testing, owing to the fact that it's illegal to own in Europe. And as we all know, common "Ball" ammo has no expansion hole and therefore the smoothest (most forgiving) ogive surface possible.

So one easy answer to your issue may be to simply try some Speer GoldDot ammo, simply because the GoldDot is a plated bullet, and has no sharp edges. The plating process itself makes sure every tiny bit of bullet surface is rounded off, as if someone had taken a buffing wheel to it.

(I can see now that it's time for me to take some photos.  )

Hope this helps.

[CDKJudoka]

I use HSTs and they run reliably in my P-09c. The only ammo I had any issues with was some S&B 115gr with some failure to fire, but that was ammo related as it didn’t run in my P2000 or Shadow Systems either.