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Offline Jeep_Nut

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Weird trigger issue on my P07 - *Updated, it's fixed*
« on: December 07, 2024, 09:56:59 AM »
Related to my earlier post about the disconnector. I thought it may have had something to do with the trigger issue I’m experiencing.

All stock except for the firing pin retaining pin. The hammer drops no problem from decocked and in SA. Problem only occurs when the hammer is fully dropped and a second strike trigger pull is attempted. What do you think the problem could be? Link to YouTube video of the issue.
https://youtube.com/shorts/SIOzD7hbtAQ?si=S_hmfw0tViSEU7T-

**Update. I called CGW and they were very helpful. They say it probably the relationship between the trigger bar and disconnector. I should polish the mating parts and that should help with the problem.**

**Second update. A little polishing did nothing to help the issue. I bought this used locally last week. Hopefully the guy didn’t knowingly sell me a problem pistol. The problem was not evident during my initial inspection at the meet up. It only started when I got it to the range and started putting rounds through it.**
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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2024, 10:16:43 AM »
Check the trigger bar spring and make sure it has enough tension. If the previous owner adjusted it he may have removed too much tension and induced this issue.
Also the mods will likely condense your two threads here since they are basically the same thing.

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2024, 11:25:45 AM »
Probably the trigger bar spring is off the trigger bar. 
Compare to these videos.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7GbOFIiTV0zywDb1XrQ2FMDvFsgCtXkF&si=2XJiuzm0stNrGALp

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2024, 11:55:09 AM »
I’m familiar with the bar spring. I’ve checked it, double checked it, and adjusted the tension. It hasn’t had any effect on my issue.

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2024, 12:23:33 PM »
OK. 

Perhaps just go through the videos and see if you see anything missing or installed incorrectly. 

Hope you find it. 

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2024, 03:59:16 PM »
Thanks. I’ll take a look at the videos and see if I missed something.

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2024, 08:06:01 PM »
I had the same issue here and i fought it for months. 

My issue, more specifically, was pressure from my thumb on the left side decocker was slightly twisting the frame just enough to cause the trigger bar to bind.  But previously it did it without that pressure too.

Here's my post below explaining what fixed it for me.

Here's my video of my version of your issue as well  https://youtu.be/GKpB_eEURgE  the comments are hilarious as the 12 year olds tell me i am just "doing it wrong".  regardless, i was getting the exact same symptoms your video shows.  Totally free trigger after live or dry fire then eventually it'd catch.

I hope this helps, drove me absolutely bonkers trying to fix it.  I love my P07 now and it's my primary 9 for suppressor use since the fix. 

I sanded a bit in the area below on my trigger bar and i have put hundreds of flawless rounds through it since.  100% fixed.

I was able to reproduce the issue with the slide off too.  The trigger bar had lateral movement left to right of the frame as you pull it. While hard to see the red area below was where mine was binding.  It was hugging the right side of the frame until it'd catch and click over to the left side, then catch the disco and be back in business.  Check if you can reproduce it with the slide off.  If it stays to the frame side nudge it to the left a tad and see if it'll catch.

little update for my dead trigger issue...

Took the whole sear cage out and apart a few more times and still got dead triggers a few times out of 100 or so dry fires.  Too many for me to call dependable.

I was about to order a new trigger bar and a few other parts and decided to try it out one last time with the decocker out and safety in place.

Completely resolved the issue.  So a bandaid, as i lost decocker function, but i am fine with that in my situation.

Got a few hundred dryfires so far with not a single dead trigger, will post back here and edit this if i do.

Just dropping this here for anyone else who has this issue.  One solution that worked in my case.

Two week update:

So,  I hit the range and put a couple hundred rounds through it and the issue came back.   Even with the safety installed.

Ordered the cgw omega trigger. Will see if that resolves it.

A few weeks later, yes, the omega trigger from CGW did, in fact, fix the issue 100%.  Not a single dead trigger since install.

Later update.  I finally was able to track down the issue and it's twofold.  First, my grip is pretty firm, Weak hand really clamps down and i was pressing my strong hand thumb into the decocker with my weak hand thumb.  With the slide off, gripping as i would in rapid fire (tight grip) i was able to visibly squeezing the polymer of the frame around the rear frame insert.  This squeeze was pushing the trigger bar ever so slightly toward the left side of the gun.  If i used a weak grip or one handed, i was never able to duplicate the problem.  As soon as i clench down on the pistol (as you would for USPSA or any other rapid fire) the dead trigger would come back.

I bought an ebay slightly used trigger bar in hopes that wherever it was contacting might be different from the one I was using. 

Same dead trigger same issue.  So I took the slide off and watched the trigger bar carefully while manipulating the trigger.  I saw that it was sticking against something hidden by the sear. 

Experimenting, since i had an extra trigger bar on hand, i sanded the vertical surface i shaded red in the pic below.  I used 400 grit and went slow, taking off only a tiny bit.  Reassembled and the issue went almost completely away, but if i gripped really hard i could make it do it still.  I proceeded to sand a bit more and the issue completely went away. 



Since then, i've put at least 500 more rounds through it and have yet to produce a single dead trigger.  Stronger grip, weaker grip, dirty, clean, zero issues now.
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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2024, 10:15:51 PM »
Thanks. I’ll look into that and see if it fixes the issue for me as well.

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2024, 03:23:15 PM »
I had the same issue here and i fought it for months. 

My issue, more specifically, was pressure from my thumb on the left side decocker was slightly twisting the frame just enough to cause the trigger bar to bind.  But previously it did it without that pressure too.

Here's my post below explaining what fixed it for me.

Here's my video of my version of your issue as well  https://youtu.be/GKpB_eEURgE  the comments are hilarious as the 12 year olds tell me i am just "doing it wrong".  regardless, i was getting the exact same symptoms your video shows.  Totally free trigger after live or dry fire then eventually it'd catch.

I hope this helps, drove me absolutely bonkers trying to fix it.  I love my P07 now and it's my primary 9 for suppressor use since the fix. 

I sanded a bit in the area below on my trigger bar and i have put hundreds of flawless rounds through it since.  100% fixed.

I was able to reproduce the issue with the slide off too.  The trigger bar had lateral movement left to right of the frame as you pull it. While hard to see the red area below was where mine was binding.  It was hugging the right side of the frame until it'd catch and click over to the left side, then catch the disco and be back in business.  Check if you can reproduce it with the slide off.  If it stays to the frame side nudge it to the left a tad and see if it'll catch.

So I sanded the spot you mentioned and I was super excited because it seemed to fix the problem for a while. I put a few rounds through it and now it’s not only doing what it was before but also from single action as well.
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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2024, 05:38:31 PM »
Measure the DA roller and see if it is concentric. They can be out of round or simply undersized. You may need to order the next size larger than the one you have from CGW.

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2024, 07:22:29 PM »
Measure the DA roller and see if it is concentric. They can be out of round or simply undersized. You may need to order the next size larger than the one you have from CGW.
I did measure the roller and it’s already at .230, the largest size available. I did not check if it was concentric though.

I’m not sure if I’m gonna just buy a new trigger bar, CGW disconnector, lifter and roller and see if that fixes it or send it back to CZ for diagnosis and repair.

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2024, 05:15:33 AM »
I did measure the roller and it’s already at 0.230, the largest size available. I did not check if it was concentric though.

I’m not sure if I’m gonna just buy a new trigger bar, CGW disconnector, lifter and roller and see if that fixes it or send it back to CZ for diagnosis and repair.

Well at this point not knowing what the previous owner did too the gun it's hard too diagnose without seeing it. If you think it has CGW parts in it already I would speak to them about looking it over. They tend to be very helpful and at this point I'd put more trust in them than CZ-USA.
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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2024, 11:49:29 AM »
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They tend to be very helpful and at this point I'd put more trust in them than CZ-USA.

Amen.

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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2024, 07:53:57 PM »
So I sanded the spot you mentioned and I was super excited because it seemed to fix the problem for a while. I put a few rounds through it and now it’s not only doing what it was before but also from single action as well.


dang, sorry.  i was really hoping it'd get you straightened out.
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Re: Weird trigger issue on my P07.
« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2024, 09:25:26 AM »
So, it was the trigger bar spring all along. Just not what I expected. For giggles, I searched YT for P07 trigger issue and a video popped up highlighting a trigger bar spring issue I hadn't seen before. The trigger bar spring not completely seated in the frame. In the video example, the spring was moved out of the hole in the frame by the magazine hitting it ever so slightly when it was inserted. He bent the spring slightly to avoid contact and the issue went away. So I checked my spring and, to my surprise, it wasn't fully seated in the frame. I bent it inward slightly and seated fully into the frame and ran 200 rounds through it last night. All seems good now. Thanks for all your suggestions and help with this.