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Offline jak

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P-09 C - Initial Impression
« on: March 17, 2025, 10:30:19 AM »
I was in the store yesterday looking at red dots.  When I finished up, I glanced to right an spotted several CZs in the next display case.  "Do you have a P-09 C Nocturne?"  The answer was "yes". I was looking forward to checking this out.  As an aside, I have a PCR & RAMI, both Canjunized.

The grip was very good, stippling very good but nor too abrasive.  OK so far.  Then I pulled the trigger.  The DA was horrible.  I had trouble pulling it (20#?).  Salesman tried it and he was surprised: "That's not typical for CZ".  He pulled another from the case - same thing.  A really long, hard pull.  Wow!  What a disappointment.
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Offline SI VIS PACEM PARRABELLUM

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2025, 12:16:05 PM »
Yeah? Well IF that's true that just makes it a prime candidate for a CGW Pro Package which is what I would do with it regardless of what the out of box trigger pull might be.
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Offline Joe L

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2025, 02:00:44 PM »
I just got home from my second day in a row shooting my 12 year old P-09 at 200 yards and can't imagine trying to run a stock CZ again.  I put a video up in the Day at the Range section.  I won't buy a later one myself, but, if I ever did, it would get the CGW kit before ever going to the range.

And I did shoot two sub 8" seven shot groups at 200 yards yesterday.  Today was gusty windy, so I am still analyzing my results.  I might put another video up tomorrow, if today's results aren't too embarrassing, LOL.

Joe
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Offline AZ_GunGuy

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2025, 05:28:02 PM »
They use a heavy spring because it's meant for carry and they over spring it to work with cheap ammo.  You could swap it out with a lighter hammer spring.  The other thing is that the decocker sets it to a half cocked position.  It removes a lot of the heavier take up in the trigger.
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Offline Stanseven

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2025, 05:34:01 PM »
10 lbs for DA is what I’ve read and heard from several sources.  Someone posted 9’7oz in another thread

https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=125293.0
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Offline Whereisit

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2025, 06:23:39 PM »
20lbs? Really? 🙄

Using my Lyman I took 3 readings from each and got an avg. According to Lyman it can be off +/-0.5oz. All measured in DA, all three are decocker and pretty close in usage/round count.

P09c Nocturn: 8lbs 8oz, has 400 rounds

PCR: 8lbs 13.4oz, has 600 rounds

SP-01: 8lbs 7.3oz has 600 rounds

All three are pretty close. Pretty odd that this one gun shop had two of them at 20lbs. Did this shop happen to be a Colt Outlet Store?
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Offline AZ_GunGuy

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2025, 06:36:25 PM »
The factory hammer spring is 20#.  That doesn't mean the trigger pull will be 20 pounds.  The DA trigger pull weight ends up being about half the spring weight.  The thread linked to above shows my results with a 20# and 14# spring.
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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2025, 07:00:36 PM »
Quote from: AZ_GunGuy on March 17, 2025, 06:36:25 PM
The factory hammer spring is 20#.  That doesn't mean the trigger pull will be 20 pounds.  The DA trigger pull weight ends up being about half the spring weight.  The thread linked to above shows my results with a 20# and 14# spring.

My 20lb comment was directed to the OP and not you.

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Offline jak

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2025, 10:03:35 PM »
The relationship between the spring weights and how that translates to trigger pull, I'm not quarreling w/ any of that.  Out of the box, my PCR and RAMI were no where near as heavy in DA.  I don't recall exactly what they measured, the PCR was around 9 - 10 but the RAMI was pretty stiff.  After a trip to CGW:
  PCR    6lbs -15oz.  3300 rnds
  RAMI  7lbs -10oz.  2600 rnds

I was just shocked at how long & heavy the DA pull was.  Almost felt like it wasn't going to break.
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Offline AZ_GunGuy

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2025, 10:24:39 PM »
Quote from: jak on March 17, 2025, 10:03:35 PM
I was just shocked at how long & heavy the DA pull was.  Almost felt like it wasn't going to break.

But what I'm saying is if you rack then use the decocker, it puts the hammer in a half cocked position.  This reduces a decent amount of the heavy take up on the trigger.  I wish the sales rep knew enough about the gun to tell you that.
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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2025, 08:26:02 AM »
Quote from: AZ_GunGuy on March 17, 2025, 05:28:02 PM
They use a heavy spring because it's meant for carry and they over spring it to work with cheap ammo.

I would say "...and they over spring it to work with all ammo."

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Offline Stuart

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2025, 02:31:22 PM »
Have seen some good ones and some bad ones.
Omega trigger system can run the gamut from heavy to decent , from DA with a hard let off, to one with a smooth left of,
much is in the trigger bar tension, roller size, etc.   

They can be smoothed out some and trigger pull lightened and then they are decent.
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Offline Joe L

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Re: P-09 C - Initial Impression
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2025, 07:57:39 PM »
Quote from: Joe L on March 17, 2025, 02:00:44 PM

Today was gusty windy, so I am still analyzing my results.  I might put another video up tomorrow, if today's results aren't too embarrassing, LOL.

Joe

Monday's range session was a lesson in how to NOT make wind calls!  I'll see what I can put together this week.  It might be educational, but definitely not motivational.

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