IDPA Stage 1 times?

[k47k]

I am interested in learning about IDPA.  Today at the range i setup the Classifier course and shot Stage 1 three times.   I got a better score than the other guy i was with but that doesnt mean much.

What are typical Stage 1 times for the IDPA classifier?

A better question would be what is a typical Stage 1 time for someone shooting the classifier for the first time?

[Walt-Sherrill]

Depends on their skill level, whether they've done any competitive shooting/gun handling before, etc.   Folks come to IDPA with different experience and gun-handling skills.

You ARE talking about time AND score (with points down for misses, bad shots, etc.), right?

If you're a raw newby -- 60 to 90 seconds is probably good, but I've seen folks do it in 150 seconds (and 450, overall.)    

Someone reasonably proficient might do it in 20-30 seconds...  A "master"-leve shooter in less than 20 seconds, on a good day.  (Stage 1 is the easiest to shoot well, and the fastest for nearly everyone.)

(Most of us don't do it a stage at a time, but only as a 3-stage exercise; you've got to do it that way when you actually classify -- all the same day, without repeats if you do poorly on any one stage.  It must be cut from whole cloth, so to speak...)

[k47k]

Walt,

Thanks for the info.  I am fairly new to shooting pistols.  i have been doing informal shooting (bullseye, plinking) for a little less than a year.

I setup the classsifier course for myself and a buddy to try it out.   We figured we would just do stage 1 since there is still 1.5 feet of snow on the ground.

Next week we are going to do stage 1 and 2  and the following week stage 1,2 and 3.  Kind of work our way into it.

My times including points down and procedurals were:

Attempt 1:  53.52 => Sig P229 .357sig
Attempt 2:  57.66 => Sig P229 .357sig
Attempt 3:  52.76 => CZ75BD

I fumbled and dropped the mag on string six... Would that be a procedural -3 or a FTDR?

[Walt-Sherrill]

The only place you do a reload, in Stage 1, is a slide lock reload.  There's no penalty for letting the empty mag fall, and you've got to pick up and load the other -- so there should have been no penalty.  (Just the "natural" penalty that comes from taking more time to get it all done.)

Dropping the mag is not a procedural/penalty unless its got rounds in it and you don't pick it up, but continue shooting.  (If you pick it up, no harm, no foul.)

The people running classifiers are more forgiving on these sort of things -- as the idea is to establish a BASELINE for skill levels, to determine where you should be classified in future matches.   Malfunctions are generally grounds to reshoot the string.

[raro]

Quote:I fumbled and dropped the mag on string six... Would that be a procedural -3 or a FTDR?

The "Failure to do Right" penalty is described in the IDPA rule book.  You can browse that rule book at idpa.com/rulebook5-2-01/rulebook_new.htm .  I have copied excerpts from the rule book for your convenience.  In short, the FTDR penalty is reserved for bad sportsmanship, circumventing the rules (cheating) and extreme unsafe gun handling.  Keep in mind the hosting range may have their own penalties, such as disqualification for some of the examples listed below.  Shoot safe, and have fun.

Ralph

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Any attempt to circumvent or compromise the spirit or rationale of any stage either by the use of inappropriate devices, equipment, or technique, will incur a twenty (20) second penalty (Vickers Count Stage) or a two hundred (200) point penalty (PAR Time Stage); this is the "FAILURE TO DO RIGHT RULE".

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ON STAGES REQUIRING A TACTICAL OR SLIDE LOCK LOAD, CAN I DUMP ROUNDS DOWN RANGE SO I WILL BE ABLE TO RELOAD BY A FASTER METHOD/MORE CONVENIENT LOCATION? YES, however you will receive a Failure to do right penalty of 20 seconds for the stage for not negotiating the course in the spirit of the contest.

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Possible Failure to Do Right (20 second penalty)

"Any attempt to circumvent or compromise the spirit or rationale of any stage either by the use of inappropriate devices, equipment, or techniques."

Examples:
1.         Firing extra rounds so that you can reload at a more convenient time. This is VERY hard to call!
2.         Purposefully committing a procedural error, because your score will be better, even with the penalty.
3.         Not reloading to fire one more round because your score will be better, even with a miss.
4.         Unsportsmanlike conduct.
5.         Dropping an unloaded firearm.
6.         Handling an unloaded firearm off the firing line or away from the safe area.
7.         Shots over the backstop.