CZ alfa combat

[sigowner]

Hi,

I bought myself my first CZ, an alfa combat.
Can anyone give me information about the CZ alfa combat.
I can't find anything about this gun on the net (only pictures)

thx  "d"

[Walt-Sherrill]

Never heard of an "alfa Combat."

Perhaps its one of the transitional (meaning pre-B) CZ-85 Combats that were imported prior to CZ-USA going into business.

Alpha, alfa, pre-B, etc. are all terms that are made up by shooers and not official CZ nomenclature.

The only difference between a CZ-85 and a current CZ-85 Combat is the shape of the trigger guard and (possibly) the shape of the hammer.

[sigowner]

www.jgstrade.cz/obrazky/5...0V%201.jpg    

[Walt-Sherrill]

I understand, now.  

These are the new "CZ"s being advertized in a couple of magazines -- notably the latest American Rifleman (where they had a full-page ad.)

I'm not sure these weapons are CZs in the sense that we talk about here.  They use CZ as their name, but they may be made by a different company.  Any gun manufacturer in the Czech Republic can call their guns "CZs"  

The fact that the JGS website shows them under the CZ Uhersky Brod listing implies a CZ-BRNO relationship (however distant), but the fact that they're not being imported by CZ-USA implies a different relationship, as does the fact that ALFA is listed as a separate company under the "PARTNERS" section of the JGS website.  

I think they're just trying to take advantage of the name, with a polymer-framed clone.  In fact, the gun looks just like the Tanfoglio-based polymer-framed guns.  If so, its a clone, and if so, you might expect some problems -- as the Polymer Tanfoglios have had some teething problems.

[Radom]

The pistol in question is made by Alfa-Proj s.r.o., a new company organized in 1993 in Brno, Czech Republic.  Alfa-Proj has no official affiliation with either Ceska Zbrojovka-Uhersky Brod or Zbrojovka Brno.  It does manufacture some of the old Zbrojovka Brno revolver designs.  Since these are not protected in the usual sense, there probably is zero relationship to Zbrojovka Brno, other than the fact that they are located in the same city.

www.alfa-proj.cz/

The focus of this website are the arms of Ceska Zbrojovka-Uhersky Brod.  "Other CZs" include:

Ceska Zbrojovka-Strakonice
Arms Moravia
Alfa-Proj
Zbrojovka Brno

These firms all use "CZ" in some context in their firearms markings, etc.  As Walt pointed out, nothing prevents them from using these initials for several reasons.  "CZ" just happens to be the international abbreviation for the Czech Republic and former Czechoslovakia.  Also, CZ literally could stand for Ceska Zbrojovka, which merely means a Czech weapons factory.  It is not possible to copyright "CZ" under the law in these circumstances.  The actual copyrights for "normal" CZs are CZ-UB and CZ-USA.

P.S.  There is now a new FAQ on this topic with more details and links to the "other CZs."  Now we can route people here, since this is coming up a lot lately.

pub105.ezboard.com/fczech...=139.topic

By the way, no one at CZF has anything against these companies.  It's just that the aggressive ad campaigns of CZ-Strakonice and Alfa-Proj sort of blindsided us.  We're supposed to be the "experts" on CZs, but to us, they aren't CZs.        

[troublemaker71]

sigowner that's a nice looking gun.  Great pic, too.  I think there's even a CZ Clone section on this forum.

Give us the lowdown on her when convenient.

Tristan

[mikey177]

Yup, it definitely looks like a Tanfoglio Force pistol.

Check it out:
www.tanfoglio.it/sportand.../force.htm