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Ron-Ankeny

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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2003, 11:12:13 PM »
Uh oh, I thought this site was going to be different than some of the rest. I should have figured with a username like Creepyrat that something was up. You have taken the roll of devil's advocate to the next level, that of troll.

I'll take the gloves off if it's a fight you are looking for, but I'll remain civil. Anyone who would question the wisdom of riding the safety when shooting a 1911 style pistol, be it in a game, or shooting for blood, is obviously not in touch with reality. I hope this forum doesn't degenerate into another Glock Talk. :\
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Ron-Ankeny

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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2003, 11:33:54 PM »
Argh...I let the rat get to me and there is no way for me to delete or modify my previous post. My aplogies to the forum for letting the rat suck me in, lol.

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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2003, 12:21:53 AM »
First...I am not a gamer so take this into account...BUT...it has been my  experience that when shooting a pistol in an enviroment where you cannot clearly see the target, but mearly an outline, using the two thumbs riding the safety one on top of the other also serves as a rough but effective way at making shots out to about 20 feet or so should you not be able to see your sights.  just use your top thumb to "point" at the target.  Make sure that you lock your elbows and practice the grip for a while first.

In my case, we were performing a low light simulation wearing gas masks.  This was a qualifying drill and my darn mask kept fogging up really bad because of all the heavy breathing.  I couldn't see my sight for crap, I could barely make out my gun.  BUT...I could point my thumbs and guess what...I didn't score perfect 10 ring shots BUT I killed that sucker with room to spare.  I did better than average in fact.  Just another reason that you may want to adapt to that grip.

And don't worry about rat dude....by the way...is that rat raping himself?:D
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2003, 01:51:22 AM »
a response with meaning from the real world thank you alduro.

since i also got pissedoff and this all went to hell in a handbasket ill just bow out of this place and let you all do as you wish i dont want to turn anything into a g#$%talk.

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Offline Boogalou

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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2003, 10:10:46 AM »
Well, looks like my question stirred up a hornets nest.....

Anyways, I tried some dry-fire with my shooting thumb riding the safety and it just felt weird.  But if this is a hold that helps you shoot 1911's better I want to practice with it.

To Walt, Ron or Alduro - Any recommendations on where to get more info on the internet about this hold?

Thanks for the info so far.

Even you,  Rat    :D
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Ron-Ankeny

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« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2003, 12:25:10 PM »
For resources you can try Brian Enos's website. Wander over to his main page at www.brianenos.com and look on the main menu on the left side of the page. Try the "words" section and the "tips" section. You can also do a search on his forum for "grip". You can also look on Matt Burkett's web site at mattburkett.com.

I have instructional tapes from Burkett, Barnhart, Ron Avery the old Shooter Ready tape featuring Rob Leatham, and so on. All of them teach a very similar grip with the thumb riding the safety. If it doesn't work for you, do what does work.
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Walt-Sherrill

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« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2003, 01:25:52 PM »
Ron:  if you become a registered user, you have editing rights -- which will, at least, let you remove the body of text.  You can also leave a private message for one of the moderators to delete the message, etc.

I think the right buttons to click are at the top right of the screen.  (If  you can't find them, go to WWW.EZBOARD.COM and register there.)

No money required, nothing revealing required, but it gives you extra abilities.
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Ron-Ankeny

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« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2003, 11:10:10 PM »
Thanks Walt. Wo, now I can add an image, format, do quotes, etc without typing in the code. Way cool...
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Glockguy-23

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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2003, 06:38:54 PM »
Ron,

Welcome aboard.  Your expertise will be very helpful in this forum...
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Walt-Sherrill

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« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2003, 08:37:34 PM »
If you're still interested in this topic, there's a continuing discussion on The High Road...  It almost makes me think that CreepyRat took it over there.  

If he did, he's not getting much support.

www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=579057#post579057
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Offline Boogalou

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« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2003, 10:41:35 PM »
Walt - I started that thread!  I was looking to get some more opinions & information.  I started it after trying the high thumb hold on my CZ75 and IMO, the hold felt better on my CZ then my Mil-Spec.

I'll have to go to the range and try out this new hold and see how I do.

Now..... would you suggest the high thumb hold for the PCR?

:rollin    :rollin      :rollin
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Walt-Sherrill

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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2003, 06:06:36 AM »
On your PCR?  Yeah, sure.  Right on the decocker, right?

I find the thumb high hold awkward on my 85 Combat and Compact, and seldom use it with them.  Its a MUST USE on my EAA Witness .45 and my new (to me) CZ-75B SA.  But both of those guns have safeties that make it easy.

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Ron-Ankeny

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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2003, 09:30:44 AM »
The primary reason that I use a "thumb high" hold is to move both of my hands upwards to get as close to the centerline of the bore as possible. In the realm of recoil management, it is good to minimize torque (high hold) and maximize friction (all that anti-skid tape). Minimizing torque will reduce muzzle lift and improve sight tracking.

On the 1911 style pistols the base of my strong hand thumb is actually resting on the base of my support hand thumb. The safety is sandwiched in between. Another way of looking at it is I don't ride the safety for any other reason than it just happens to be in the way. Does that make sense?
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2003, 11:24:45 AM »
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On the 1911 style pistols the base of my strong hand thumb is actually resting on the base of my support hand thumb. The safety is sandwiched in between. Another way of looking at it is I don't ride the safety for any other reason than it just happens to be in the way. Does that make sense?


Ron - Yes, Thanks, that does make sense.  I do think it would feel better to me if I  purchased an aftermarket safety that is made for a high thumb hold.  Both of my 1911's are plain janes, a Springfield Mil-Spec & a Colt Series 70.

Any suggestions?

Also thanks to Walt for his help.
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Ron-Ankeny

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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2003, 02:18:15 PM »
My Baer had a huge thumb safety on it and I couldn't stand the thing. My solution was a Dremel tool and a file. If the contour of the safety is wrong it can gouge the heck out of your thumb. Many good competion pistols have the rearward portion of the "shelf" removed and the entire safety narrowed. Kind of like a mil spec gun or a Kimber safety. Others like the STI have the "shelf" moved foward with a downward bend. Makes a lot of sense doesn't it? Make a huge safety as an improvement then grind it down to what Browning had in mind in the first place. :)
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