Why not a modernized 52?

[CZooter42]

If Raccoon City happens, you can find me headed straight for the .45s, because zombies don't wear body armor.

[woadyurt]

Maybe a 7.62X25 service pistol would be a little overkill but why not in a "fun" gun for us private, civilian types? It seems to me that it would be in the .357 Magnum neighborhood. They're making handguns now that are bizarrely powerful, so powerful that most people can't even control the things and those seem to sell. It's a shame to see such a great round possibly go into the dustbin. If someone made a modern pistol in this caliber, it'd probably sell well. I have a S&W Model 67 w/+P hollowpoints for my bedside but if I ever needed to step it up a bit, the 52 is right next to it.

[CZooter42]

.500 S&W, .50 AE, aren't these overkill? And I bet they would have some trouble with IIIA as well...
Now, .30 tok is accurate, light, cheap, and really powerful. What's not to love? Overpenetration, humbug. If you want to make sure everyone within a mile is safe, carry a taser gun. If you don't want to wait for a crackhead to get out of his car and within 15 feet of you, carry something with a little more pop. AND A 7.62x25 WOULD BE JUST THE THING. Not only that, you could easily refute claims that it is a "cop-killer" (what, are cops all impervious to normal bullets?) because the ammo is cheap and older than Jesus. What can't .30 tok do?
BTW, http://www.jgsales.com/product_info.php/ammo-for-handguns/7-62x25-30-tokarev/p/7-62x25-wolf-gold-jhp%2C-50-rd-boxes-/cPath/25_28/products_id/1346

[Walt-Sherrill]

Of course they 500 S&W and 50 AE are overkill.  But, then, I haven't really heard many people advocating their use in Home Defense or for concealed carry.   They aren't even used in military applications where you'd think they'd find their home.  (The military typically prefers long guns...)

Once you've shot a 500 S&W you quickly disabuse yourself of any thoughts of using it for home defense.  (One friend shot his as I watched.  Five rounds.  The next day his shooting hand was a massive bruise.)

[CZooter42]

Let's face it, most .50 cal handguns are expensive toys. "Yeah I'm a macho man, can't you see I've got a Desert Eagle?". .44 mag and .357 mag are interesting ideas in autoloaders, but I'd rather have a .30 tok platform anyday. What gun company is awesome enough to reinstate this amazing round? I dunno, but I'm writing a letter to CZ. If you think this is a cool idea, the .30 in a SP-01, then you should write one too.

[CZ Prime]

Don't expect much response from CZ on a new 7.62x25 gun.  They can't even get their web store up in the US anymore. I think they just want to sell overpriced hunting rifles in calibers too powerful for most uses, namely the UHR. I don't know about you but I don't see an African safari or cape buffalo hunt anytime in my near future, the biggest caliber I shoot are 8mm and 7.62x54R.

I think it would be neat though to have modern gun in 7.62x25. Not sure that the round would go well with a high cap mag, might make the grip too big. Good also would be a nice carbine in that caliber too.  Chromed bores would be good for all that corrosive surplus ammo too. I find the CZ-52 to be very accurate for ranges past 20 yards due to the flat trajectory of the round. I took one to an accuracy match in my area recently and wowed everyone at the capability of a 50+ year old relic.  They were also impressed with the very positive ejection, heheh. Kept pelting people 30 feet down the line with my empties. It really is a fun gun.

[Walt-Sherrill]

For parts:

Talk to a local dealer, or check Angus Hobdell's website.  (You'll find links to it in the Ask Angus area.)  Most things you need from CZ, he can get -- as he's a CZ employee (Pistol Team, Custom Shop).  He offers quick turnaround and is a first-rate gunsmith.

[Floyd9]

Wolf makes a JHP in 7.62x25..more information can be found here - http://czechpistols82792.yuku.com?topic=4981/t/Wolf-HP-ammo.html

[tf34mech]

Sellier & Bellot make 7.62x25 ammunition.  So does MagSafe, their round has a muzzle velocity of  2120 fps.

[CZooter42]

You know what the best ammo is? The old milsurp stuff at <$.10 a shot. Just rinse your barrel after plinking or whatever and it's fine stuff. My CZ52 isn't my HD gun, that's what my FN police shotgun and bull mastiffs are for. Buy a box of the expensive stuff and it'll just sit there, dreaming about zipping through discarded appliances like the milsurp does. If I had a suitable HD 7.62x35 then I'd buy hollowpoints and frangibles (funny to say that about pistol rounds, innit?).

[Walt-Sherrill]

You probably need to do more than just rinse out the barrel.

The corrosive nature of the ammo can get into other areas, and raise havoc there.

A thorough dousing in Windex unti you get back home, and then typical gun-cleaning with the usual gun-cleaning materials is probably better.

Shooting Milsurp ammo means you need to deal with the gun as you would any gun using milsurp (corrosive) ammo.  You might get lucky doing less, but...

[CZooter42]

Windex? That's all? I heard hot soapy water and a tight patch down the bore was best. Right know I'm stuck with Sellier and Bellot, and I regret buying it, but it's  pretty clean.

[William Chase]

You need the ammonia, like in Windex, to neutralize the corrosive compounds. Google corrosive ammunition cleaning and you'll see plenty of home brews for it, too!

Bill

[Walt-Sherrill]

I mentioned Windex (or any of the similar window cleaners) because they come in small, easy-to-use spray bottles which are ideal for use at the range. It costs a bit more (but the cost is still trivial) than mixing our own water and ammonia mixture.

[CZooter42]

With chromed bores you don't need to do anything special, right? Hey, that'd be another nice feature on the new 7.62x25! The one that no one will probably ever make!...