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Offline Wild Rice.fz1ownersassoci...

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« on: December 18, 2007, 01:12:10 PM »
This is a test of the firing pin mechanism.  Put on safety glasses.  Remove the magazine and pull back the slide to confirm that the chamber is empty (including snap caps), put a new unsharpened pencil in the muzzle (eraser end first) so that the eraser rests on the breech face (where the firing pin hole is located).  Point the gun muzzle up at the ceiling (and away from your face!) and pull the trigger.  This tests center fire pistol ignition.

Caution: do perform this with a loaded gun, sharpened pencil, or near your face.

My 1911 45's will launch the pencil 3 feet up into the air.  As will my Browning Hi Power, Ruger P94DC, and Springfield XD.

My CZ75 P01, S&W 38 snub nose, and HK P7M8 will make the pencil jump, but not quite far enough to clear the muzzle.  All three of these guns have reliable ignition and adequate primer indentation.  I think it means that these three guns have adequate firing pin force, but limited firing pin excursion.

I do this to test used guns to make sure the firing mechanism is functional.  It is also a good test for a reassembled gun to make sure all the safety mechanisms and firing pin blocks allow the firing pin to move when the trigger is pulled.  Failure could mean a broken firing pin, jammed firing pin, jammed firing pin block, inadequate main spring, or missing/broken internal parts.

I wish the P01 performed a little better at this test.  I think it is because of the firing pin excursion being limited by the roll pin(s).  I would not want to install a weaker main spring on this pistol.

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« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2007, 01:47:50 PM »
The firing pin spring may be slightly weaker than nominal specifications, but I wonder. My P-01 was the first CZ I have owned that did not seem to have weak springs. (I have no way to effectively measure the spring weight.) In fact, it is the only CZ I have owned that didn't get resprung more or less out of the box.

When you compare a Type A CZ 75 firing pin system to a B model, it is apparent that the roll pin does in fact limit the firing pin excursion. My Type A passes the firing pin test with its replacement Wolff spring. The original firing pin springs are also over twice as long as the Type B firing pin springs.
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Offline Kevin Quinlan

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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2007, 02:24:01 PM »
That is why I ALWAYS bring a pencil to gun shows. Get some strange looks, but that is better than buying a pistil with problems.

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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2007, 08:27:40 PM »
Hmmm, my PO1 launches the thing across the room.

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« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2007, 04:36:29 AM »
Hmmm, my PO1 launches the thing across the room.

And, as a consequence, your test becomes pointless.

(Well, at least the pencil does...)

Offline TheCitizen82

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« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2007, 04:41:46 AM »
Great suggestion. After the firing pin on my RAMI broke I've been preoccupied with this particular issue. I've been taking small circular stickers and popping them on the end of my snap-caps to check the firing pin from time to time, but yours would be a far less tedious exercise. Thanks for the heads up.

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« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2007, 07:41:19 AM »
Walt, ouch, groan.

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« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2007, 08:23:38 AM »
Anything's better than getting hit by a 1911 spring plug, full force.

Anywho, you do have to keep an eye on CZ springs. They are better now, but the older pistols often had weak springs. This makes the DA pull pretty nice on some of the Pre-Bs. I often wonder how much the firing pin block system is getting the "blame" for stronger springs.
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« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2007, 08:24:53 AM »
Quote from: Walt Sherrill
Hmmm, my PO1 launches the thing across the room.  
 
  And, as a consequence, your test becomes pointless.  
 
  (Well, at least the pencil does...)
 

I actually had to read that a few times before I even got the joke.  This lack of sleep thing just isn't working out for me...

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« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2007, 04:21:17 PM »
Coffee is your friend...

Offline Denalipark

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« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2007, 06:03:44 PM »
At the risk of impugning my IQ, are you sure you've placed your pencil's eraser completely over the firing pin? I've done this so many times with my Glocks that I've actually begun using those jumbo pencil's from target, and the differnce can be dramatic, like shooting it half way across the room.......

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« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2007, 09:22:26 PM »
Its easier with a 9mm than a .40 or .45.  <grin>

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« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2007, 05:51:52 AM »
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Its easier with a 9mm than a .40 or .45. <grin>
 

Not as much muzzle rise?

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« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2007, 09:42:25 AM »
Hmm.... this isn't the "pencil test" I recall from management school.

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« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2007, 12:30:03 PM »

The idea of pushing lead down the barrel takes on a whole new meaning...