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Offline big 54r

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« on: April 14, 2008, 07:49:34 PM »
I don't know if this is the correct forum for this so mod's move it to it's proper place if need be.

Anyway, I gonna take several pistol courses this year starting soon and was wondering if any of you have used your cz's for these hi-rnd training sessions (1k-1.5k+). I know plenty cz's are used in competitions but these courses are going to be hard use, hardcore, hard climate, rugged enviroment, intense drill type courses which I often see user's bring Glock's to. In fact the instructors I have researched almost to a man recommend glock's, I have access to glock's if I wanted to take them but I prefer CZ's, althoughI haven't run 1500 rnds thru one in a weekend. I'm just wondering how you guy's think they (cz's) will hold up in such a class!?

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« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2008, 01:50:53 AM »
Howdy Mr. Big 54r,

I can not give you a precise answer to your question, as I never owned any of my CZs when I last attended one of these high round shooting schools. I did attend a 2 week school, and the second week consisted of a class of only 5 LEOs, all of whom were firearms instructors for their agencies. There were 3 Smiths, 1 Glock, and 1 Sig. We fired on average between 1200 to 1500 rounds per day through them. The only weapon that suffered a broken part was the Glock 19. That LEO had brought a spare 19 with him, so he simply used the second one for the remainder of the course.

I do not know what your round count is through your CZs, but if you have a reasonable count through them, personally I think they would do you well. If you prefer the CZ pistol, then why not use it. Just a suggestion to offer. If you have two identical CZ pistols (that use the same mag) why not bring a second as a backup weapon just in case you do have a part break. Or bring a Glock as a backup if you feel more comfortable doing that.

If I had the chance to attend such a school these days, personally I would take my CZ pistol and its mate as a spare, and never give it a second thought. I think that highly of the CZ pistols after buying 3. I will be buying more of them soon as well.

Good luck, and if you do take your CZ pistols, please let us know how both you and they did.

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« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2008, 06:26:05 AM »
I have a 17 year old Pre-B that has seen a lot of use in the last 4 years. No breakage issues ever, just clean the extractor from time to time [when I cleaned mine I couldn't believe it was still working]. A XP extractor spring is a good idea also. A Matt Mink tuned P01 is my back up. I did do a 900 round in 5 hours class 2 years ago plus a IDPA match the next day, no cleaning, no issues. I was using poly coated lead ammo too. If I were doing a long training session I would keep it wet, clean it at night, use good ammo, have a spare slide stop and a spare gun. Have fun testing yourself and your equipment.

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« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2008, 03:31:00 PM »
Shouldn't be a problem. I think with any class you're going to spend a lot of money and travel to, you should have a spare gun. I've broken lots of guns/parts at different training schools. It's alway nice to have a backup. I did take an SP-01 to a training class that I hadn't tested before and had issues. Since I got them fixed, the gun has been flawless for thousands of rounds. My normal practice is around 4-500 rounds and I go several sessions between cleanings. Why are you going to these classes? I would think whatever you are going to use after the class you should use at the class. No sense throwing 2000 rounds of ammo down a Glock then turn around and carry or compete with a CZ.

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« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2008, 05:28:17 PM »
thanx for the rplies guy's.

yeah fellas I am gonna use my CZ and will be getting a 2nd 75b soon as a back up and for a 2nd house/defense gun.

I do have access to a Glock if I wanted to use one but I like CZ's better so that is what i'll be taking and training with. I just wanted some feedback from those who have hi-rnd count's in there CZ's in a short amount of time (2-3day's of 1k-2k rnds really fast!). I have nothing against "Gaston's great plastic" but I really have a special affinity for the CZ, just wish I hadn't waited so long to get my 1st modern one! Plus the Glock's in ? belong to my B-N-L and I would hate to leave my 75b with him bcuz he has no time behind it's trigger.

I'll be training at Tiger Valley in Waco, TX. for pistol 1 and carbine 1, and it's for knowledge of how to use a weapon properly in a carry/home defense/night out with the family gone horribly wrong scenario. Basically it's so I can learn while putting plenty of lead down range and having fun doing it!!

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« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2008, 06:58:21 AM »
Sounds like a great reason to bring the CZ, especially if that will be the gun you're using as a house/defense gun.  Have fun.

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« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2008, 01:17:40 PM »
Take the CZ and don't worry.  I've taken three classes using my 75B (Tac Pro Shooting Center Intermediate and Advanced Pistol and a SureFire Low Light Operator Class).  The lowest round count in any of the classes was 900 rounds (SureFire).  Both of the Tac Pro Shooting Center classes were over 1200 rounds each.  Never had any issue in any of these classes.  Matter of fact, in the forty or fifty thousand rounds through this pistol, I've only had four stoppages (one magazine related, the rest were ammo) and one broken part (slide stop at about 30 or 35000 rounds).  Take care of it and it will last longer than you.

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Offline Kelly

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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2008, 09:09:48 AM »
"one broken part (slide stop at about 30 or 35000 rounds)"

not that I'll be putting that many rounds through mine (thats a lot of money!), but is this a problem inherent to the design or something since the barrel doesn't have a link? or is there a recoil buffer I should be using? I may order an extra slide stop just as a backup.

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« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2008, 06:57:22 AM »
I had my CZ run through a 1000 rnd class last summer..and then did two matches right after..no cleaning or other..gun and mags were down in the dust and dirt..no issues..

going to another three day class this summer..taking the CZ again..
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2008, 05:19:35 PM »
Although I love the CZ and have three CZ's and two clones, I will be taking a BHP to my next shooting class in June.  During certain clearance drills when the slide has to be cycled rapidly three or more times, I found the slide to be too shallow and the groves too sharp to do it rapidly and/or comfortably.  In fact, I cut my fingers and thumb so bad on the P-01 that I had to keep putting on fresh bandaids to make it through the class.  Had I had a spare anything -- Glock (probably the easiest to do these on), 1911, or BHP -- I would have switched immediately.  Does anybody have a remedy for this?  If so, I'd love to know.  I am aware that the Armalite Turkish CZ clone has a raised rear portion of the slide at the rear sight for this reason -- i.e., to increase the amount of slide to grab hold of.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2008, 01:40:11 PM »
I rarely clean my CZ's until they have at least 1500 rounds on them.
I have also burned through 3000 rounds in an afternoon shooting plate racks with a buddy that was preparing for American Handgunner.
That was abuse, but it kept on running.
Unless you shoot really dirty ammo, or there is rain followed by an immediate duststorm, I wouldn't worry about it.

I always bring a backup CZ with me to matches and such, only needed it a few times.

 

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