75B Omega and P07 in competition.

[Stuart]

Anyone shooting either of these guns in competiton yet?
any trouble with rules? USPSA says the trigger system is a major change so its not a standard 75B and of course the P07 is a new model.
how about in IDPA.

curious how they are holding up, and operating under match conditions.

thanks

[burningsquirrels]

iirc they are referrign to the "new" 75b as teh "75B Omega", am i right?

[Stuart]

yes..
the 75B Omega and the P07 that I am asking about..

[Walkure]

Well, I bought an Omega to become my dedicated IDPA ESP gun, but that didn't work out to well for me personally*. 

Another USPSA & IDPA shooter bought an Omega the week before I bought mine. He has started using his in both (just our local club matches for USPSA, so not being "on the list" yet isn't a concern) with success. He's just still adjusting to the gun to a degree. No problems, though.




* - (For those that haven't seen my threads here and elsewhere, I had major issues with the Omega's trigger bar spring, and the pistol is back at CZ for warrantied repair.)

[Canuck44]

The guns are approved for IDPA.  Both are listed on the IPSC & USPSA Production lits of approved guns.  There is nothing in IPSC rules that precludes a factory from redesigning the trigger system like CZ has done.  The rules in IPSC for production relate to trigger work and modifications not how the guns come from the factory.

USPSA is slightly different but the principle is the same.  I am not aware of anyone referring to the new 75B as the 75B Omega outside of this forum.

Can't speak to the new systems serviceability.

Take Care

Bob

[Walkure]

The guns are approved for IDPA.  Both are listed on the IPSC & USPSA Production lits of approved guns.  There is nothing in IPSC rules that precludes a factory from redesigning the trigger system like CZ has done.  The rules in IPSC for production relate to trigger work and modifications not how the guns come from the factory.

USPSA is slightly different but the principle is the same.  I am not aware of anyone referring to the new 75B as the 75B Omega outside of this forum.

Can't speak to the new systems serviceability.

Take Care

Bob

The P07 is NOT on the USPSA Production List yet. Neither is the Omega-equipped 75. (The P07 is on the IPSC list, however).

I am unaware of anyone, anywhere NOT referring to the "new" 75Bs as Omegas. They are very plainly marked on both the pistol themselves and the original factory packaging.

Consider this - many "stainless" or "inox" models of various manufacture are explicitly mentioned on the Production List, as are a very large variety of variants (USPSA goes as far as to specify which caliber models are approved). If the CZ75B Stainless required new approval, then the Omega definitely needs it. And if a different trigger mech didn't matter, then there would be absolutely no need for both the CZ75B and the CZ75BD to be separately approved. 

[Spiny Norman]

Well, I bought an Omega to become my dedicated IDPA ESP gun, but that didn't work out to well for me personally*.  

I bought mine to use in SSP but I wasn't impressed with the DA trigger pull and traded the Omega off less than a month after I bought it.  I still have a CZ 75 SA for ESP.

[burningsquirrels]

did you try replacing the mainspring first? i bet if it was traded for a 15# or 16# it'd be a whole lot better. i wish CZ would stop shipping them with the 50# one, lol.

[Spiny Norman]

did you try replacing the mainspring first? i bet if it was traded for a 15# or 16# it'd be a whole lot better. i wish CZ would stop shipping them with the 50# one, lol.

That is certainly what it felt like.  A local LEO wanted the Omega pretty badly so I traded him for a 1911.  He's happy and I traded the 1911 off for another pistol. 

[badge38]

 Spiny ......... what did get in return for the 1911.  Another CZ ? 

[Canuck44]

Vince Pinto has confirmed on the IPSC Global web site the new Omega trigger system found in the 75/85 series of pistols is approved for IPSC Production Division.

Take Care

Bob

[Canuck44]

The guns are approved for IDPA.  Both are listed on the IPSC & USPSA Production lits of approved guns.  There is nothing in IPSC rules that precludes a factory from redesigning the trigger system like CZ has done.  The rules in IPSC for production relate to trigger work and modifications not how the guns come from the factory.

USPSA is slightly different but the principle is the same.  I am not aware of anyone referring to the new 75B as the 75B Omega outside of this forum.

Can't speak to the new systems serviceability.

Take Care

Bob

The P07 is NOT on the USPSA Production List yet. Neither is the Omega-equipped 75. (The P07 is on the IPSC list, however).

I am unaware of anyone, anywhere NOT referring to the "new" 75Bs as Omegas. They are very plainly marked on both the pistol themselves and the original factory packaging.

Consider this - many "stainless" or "inox" models of various manufacture are explicitly mentioned on the Production List, as are a very large variety of variants (USPSA goes as far as to specify which caliber models are approved). If the CZ75B Stainless required new approval, then the Omega definitely needs it. And if a different trigger mech didn't matter, then there would be absolutely no need for both the CZ75B and the CZ75BD to be separately approved. 

If you read my post I did not indicate that Omega system was approved for your local USPA matches.  IPSC has approved the system as indicated.  Go to the Global village for cofirmation. 

Take Care

Bob

[Walkure]

The guns are approved for IDPA.  Both are listed on the IPSC & USPSA Production lits of approved guns.  There is nothing in IPSC rules that precludes a factory from redesigning the trigger system like CZ has done.  The rules in IPSC for production relate to trigger work and modifications not how the guns come from the factory.

USPSA is slightly different but the principle is the same.  I am not aware of anyone referring to the new 75B as the 75B Omega outside of this forum.

Can't speak to the new systems serviceability.

Take Care

Bob

The P07 is NOT on the USPSA Production List yet. Neither is the Omega-equipped 75. (The P07 is on the IPSC list, however).

I am unaware of anyone, anywhere NOT referring to the "new" 75Bs as Omegas. They are very plainly marked on both the pistol themselves and the original factory packaging.

Consider this - many "stainless" or "inox" models of various manufacture are explicitly mentioned on the Production List, as are a very large variety of variants (USPSA goes as far as to specify which caliber models are approved). If the CZ75B Stainless required new approval, then the Omega definitely needs it. And if a different trigger mech didn't matter, then there would be absolutely no need for both the CZ75B and the CZ75BD to be separately approved. 

If you read my post I did not indicate that Omega system was approved for your local USPA matches.  IPSC has approved the system as indicated.  Go to the Global village for cofirmation. 

Take Care

Bob

Actually, if you re-read your own post, you should notice that you stated outright, "Both are listed on the IPSC & USPSA Production lits of approved guns." - which is entirely false, since neither are on the USPSA list yet (only IPSC).

[Canuck44]

Yes I stand corrected on th eP-07.  I doubt you will see anything on the new trigger system since the 75 B is still the 75 B with adifferent trigger system.  We refer to it as the 75 B Omega but I don't see it called that anywhere else, including on the CZ UB we site.

Vince Pinto made no distiction in his reply to my enquiry. 

Take Care

Bob