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Offline rburch20

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My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« on: January 10, 2010, 08:41:06 PM »
Sorry for the long introduction here, but I kinda feel like I need to explain things so you can understand what's going on.

My sister who's 21 is interested in getting her CCW. 

She shot a good bit with us as a kid, but kinda got out of it for a while, and most of her shooting was 22 rifles.

I was going out to shoot on our land a couple months ago, and she came along.  I had my Ruger 10/22, GP-100, a S&W 22 revolver (not sure which model) , and my CZ-75b.

I started her with the S&W, and after a bit of help with her stance and grip, she was getting all 6 on the target every time and getting some good groups too.

She did about the same with the GP-100 shooting 38s.

The problems started when she picked up my CZ-75b.  Every time she shot, the brass would hit her in the face.  I watched her shoot, and checked her grip, and just can't figure out why the brass hits her.

I believe part of the problem is that the trigger pull is a bit long for her hands, but not sure if that could be a factor.

If so would installing thinner grips help the trigger reach?

Offline BrieH43

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2010, 08:44:54 PM »
Is she limp wristing?  Have her dry fire and rack the slide for her, if she moves when you rack the slide, she's limp wristing.
I had that problem for a while myself.
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Offline rburch20

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010, 08:51:05 PM »
Is she limp wristing?  Have her dry fire and rack the slide for her, if she moves when you rack the slide, she's limp wristing.
I had that problem for a while myself.

Thanks, I'll check that next time we shoot.  Could the trigger reach be causing her to limp wrist?

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010, 08:52:49 PM »
I have no idea if the trigger reach has anything to do with the brass flying backwards.
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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2010, 10:05:37 PM »
  You can also ask the experts in the cz75b forum. I have no knowledge on why the brass flies backwards.

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2010, 10:25:00 PM »
Is she left handed?
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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2010, 11:11:46 PM »
Is she left handed?

No, right handed, and she's lining up the sights with her right eye.

The brass just seems to fly straight up and come down on top of her.

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2010, 02:11:08 AM »
It sounds like limp wristing.  I forgot to mention earlier...rack the slide while she's holding the gun, in her stance and whatnot.
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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2010, 08:07:17 AM »
  I would go with limp wristing. If the gun is rotating in her hand, rather than raising both arms (like a lever) the brass is going to come right back toward her.  That is a case of locking up the arms and grip of the gun. The elbows shouldn't be locked.  The brass typically is ejected right and rear ~10-15'. Except for my CZ97B (right and forward~ 2', 20lb recoil spring).

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2010, 11:27:36 AM »
Thanks for the help guys, I'll work with her on it a bit tonight, and then we can try again when it warms up enough to go shooting again.

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2010, 07:44:46 PM »
You might think this odd, but she sounds like a candidate for a PCR, the heavier 75B might be causing the limpwristing.

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 09:00:11 PM »
You might think this odd, but she sounds like a candidate for a PCR, the heavier 75B might be causing the limpwristing.

Perfect, I've got a PCR.  I didn't think to try it for her.  I was figuring the lighter weight would be harder for her to control.

I'll get her out with it next time we go shooting.

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2010, 10:32:49 AM »
Howdy sir,

It is really hard to diagnose things without seeing them actually happening in real time.  But the next time you go out with your sister, you should fire a few rounds out of your 75B first.  How does the brass eject for you when you shoot it?  It may be that your recoil spring has grown weak and needs to be replaced with a new one.  It could be as simple a fix as that.

But if the brass is not hitting you, and ejecting a decent distance, then I would agree with those who have suggested your sister is likely limp wristing the pistol.  When she does that, it robs some of the recoil energy the gun needs to operate properly, and is likely why the brass hits her.

Also, what type of load are you using when she shoots the pistol.  If it is a very light load, and she does limp wrist a bit, that will contribute to the brass hitting her in my view.  If using a light load, you might let her try standard loads and see how the brass ejects.

Everyone tends to have their own shooting system that works best for them.  But all of the gun schools I have attended over the last 4 decades or so as a police firearms instructor have emphasized keeping both elbows locked.  So I have to disagree with the suggestion to have her not lock her elbows.  In my view if she keeps both elbows fully locked, that tends to give her a stronger grip as well.

As I said, it is really hard to diagnose things over the net, but unless the recoil spring is worn and too light, limp wristing is the most likely cause of this situation.  Unless the grips are just super large for her hands, I have a hard time visualizing how a long DA trigger pull could be causing this problem.  But another suggestion is to let her try shooting a mag or two all SA, and see what the brass does then as well.  Just a thought.

Good luck,

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« Last Edit: January 15, 2010, 10:34:35 AM by twoguns »

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Re: My 75b seems to have problems with my sister...
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2010, 02:08:23 PM »
The brass doesn't hit me, so I'm pretty sure it's her limp wristing.

We were shooting standard target ammo.

I'm going to work on her grip and stance next time we're out.

I think her fingers may be a bit too short to reach the trigger, and that causes her to shift her grip in order to reach it and gives her a weaker grip.

Next range trip we plan on trying the PCR, our sister-in-law's Taurus 111, and maybe even our brother's Ruger P345.

Just to give her a taste of a few other models.