25 yards?

[armoredman]

If that's the best shooting you've ever seen, you need to get out more.  I only won one shooting match, and that was with a Smith Model 64, actually. No matches up here, unfortunately.
As for the range, yes, yes, it truly rocks. 

[original_g]

Here in CRO we shoot ISSF 25 meters match, to be in best 10 you need to shoot more than 90+ in precise and 85+ in rapid and targets are:

http://www.shootingwiki.org/index.php?title=ISSF_Target_25/50M_Precision_Pistol

http://www.shootingwiki.org/index.php?title=ISSF_Target_25M_Rapid_Fire_Pistol

@jameslovesjammie, you are apsolutely right, when shooting precise stance, grip, sight picture and triger control is a must

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/

[armoredman]

Pardon, CRO? Might have to find a few of those targets.

[AZ_CZ]

CRO

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[excheck]

OK Az you bet on the right horse.  Or you could look at 'original_g' profile and read one of his posts.

11       CZ Experts and Accessories / CZF Ask Angus / Re: CZ-USA Shipping to Europe?       on: March 14, 2010, 12:41:47 PM
I can tell you about Croatia, which is in Europe but not in EU.
We have a document issued by police that is called ?firearm purchase license?, we have it translated to English and notarized, send it to licensed merchant in US and he gets export permit.

Friend of mine got his 1911 that was 500$ for 750$ before tax in Croatia.


btw. And then another 500$ for taxes and customs. Angry
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[armoredman]

Ouch, lots of taxes on one gun...
 

[AZ_CZ]

Wow cool links on the wiki site, thanks for posting them.  The section/blog on f-class was great.  I don't shoot at that level, but I enjoy reading about it! THANKS

Here in CRO we shoot ISSF 25 meters match, to be in best 10 you need to shoot more than 90+ in precise and 85+ in rapid and targets are:

http://www.shootingwiki.org/index.php?title=ISSF_Target_25/50M_Precision_Pistol

http://www.shootingwiki.org/index.php?title=ISSF_Target_25M_Rapid_Fire_Pistol

@jameslovesjammie, you are apsolutely right, when shooting precise stance, grip, sight picture and triger control is a must

http://www.bullseyepistol.com/

[original_g]

Sorry, CRO=Croatia

In Europe it is clear what it means, you use a lot of abbreviations.

[Twmaster]

Armoredman... That is a seriously nice outdoor range. The only range close enough to me for practicality is only 20 yards and indoor. I really need to work on my shooting. I recently bought my first handgun and have been going to the range as time and money allows. It's been 20 years since I've shot pistols having never owned one until last month.

Here's an example of my shooting at 10 yards (8" black part of target): (New Walther PK380, .380ACP Federal ball ammo)

It was bloody hot inside the range and as the time there wore on sweat in my eyes really started to take it's toll on my shooting.

I need to work on getting some ammo for my newly acquired CZ52. (read that as save up some money, unemployment sucks)

[Toxxyc]

Here's an example of my shooting at 10 yards (8" black part of target): (New Walther PK380, .380ACP Federal ball ammo)

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It was bloody hot inside the range and as the time there wore on sweat in my eyes really started to take it's toll on my shooting.

I need to work on getting some ammo for my newly acquired CZ52. (read that as save up some money, unemployment sucks)

I don't know how an experienced shooter you are, so here goes:

What order did you shoot in, or don't you remember?  It seems you may be pulling the trigger instead of squeezing it, and that combined with the heat and sweat is probably what is causing the less than fortunate shooting.  Do this test:

Make your pistol safe (obviously) and remove the magazine (make it front-heavy to increase your grip strength)
Cock the hammer
Place a fattish coin on the slide just behind the front sight, upright so that it will topple when you move the pistol
Aim at a target in a safe direction (I'm sorry, I'm very safety conscious when it comes to firearms), and squeeze the trigger as you would when shooting at a real target

If the coin falls off, you're doing it wrong.  You should adjust your trigger pull so that it's still safe to carry the pistol, but not too heavy that is requires effort to squeeze off a shot.  This effort will affect the grip and twist the pistol to a certain direction, causing you to shoot inaccurately, constantly.  Practice practice practice...

I was taught this method constantly when I was younger, and it was drilled into my head.  Still, I get too little exercise to shoot with pinpoint accuracy constantly, and I usually get excited when the fourth or fifth bullet hits the same place, and this causes inaccuracy and idiotic shooting (literally moving from a constant 1"-3" grouping at 10 yards to a m-m-m-mammoth 5"+ grouping).

[JHS]

"Place a fattish coin on the slide just behind the front sight, upright so that it will topple when you move the pistol
Aim at a target in a safe direction (I'm sorry, I'm very safety conscious when it comes to firearms), and squeeze the trigger as you would when shooting at a real target"


I am assuming you mean placing the coin on edge? Do you place the coin perpendicular to the slide or parallel?
Standing a coin on edge and keeping it that way just holding a gun I would imagine is difficult enough... never mind squeezing the trigger.

I'll have to give it a try.

[Twmaster]

Interesting exercise. I doubt I could keep a coin on edge long enough to squeeze off a shot.

Went to the range again today. I'm beginning to believe trigger control is my nemesis. Here's a pic of my first three targets. One magazine each (8 rounds).



7 yards, first-second-third magazines left to right.

I have no idea if the trigger is adjustable on this pistol. (Walther PK380)

After ensuring the pistol is indeed empty (all other reasonable safety measures employed) I cannot hold this perfectly still while squeezing the trigger in DA mode.

When in SA mode, hammer cocked I can also see the pistol move. Now, I cannot tell if the movement is before during or after pulling the trigger. I just cannot seem to get my brain to process the observation while aiming and pulling the trigger. But I do see some movement in that process.

I seem to have a better time controlling the CZ52. It's bigger and heavier than the Walther. I had not taken the CZ to the range with me today.

I need to find a good shooter locally who can help me get right.

[JHS]

Okay, so i tried it with a nickel, the fattest I could find.  And as I thought just aiming the gun with a coin balancing on edge parallel to the aim is difficult, however with that said I was able to pull the trigger of my SP01 in SA without the coin falling until after the click of the hammer. Was using a 2 hand hold while the wife placed the coin on the slide. In DA, no chance. At least not yet... I can't wait till I get the trigger-worked shadow

[fullerb1]

I love being able to shoot Moment of Felon!!!

[Toxxyc]

"Place a fattish coin on the slide just behind the front sight, upright so that it will topple when you move the pistol
Aim at a target in a safe direction (I'm sorry, I'm very safety conscious when it comes to firearms), and squeeze the trigger as you would when shooting at a real target"


I am assuming you mean placing the coin on edge? Do you place the coin perpendicular to the slide or parallel?
Standing a coin on edge and keeping it that way just holding a gun I would imagine is difficult enough... never mind squeezing the trigger.

I'll have to give it a try.

Yes yes that's what I meant...

Okay, so i tried it with a nickel, the fattest I could find.  And as I thought just aiming the gun with a coin balancing on edge parallel to the aim is difficult, however with that said I was able to pull the trigger of my SP01 in SA without the coin falling until after the click of the hammer. Was using a 2 hand hold while the wife placed the coin on the slide. In DA, no chance. At least not yet... I can't wait till I get the trigger-worked shadow

And it's great to see you managed it.  You wouldn't have to be able to do it in DA, as there's no rule in competitive shooting requiring from you to have such stability, as you are allowed to cock the pistol before the shot.  If you can manage to shoot with the same control as you can without the coin falling off, you're on your way to success.  I was taught this trick many years ago, and it was drilled into my head for use primarily with rifles at longer ranges (100yards and up) and it has given me excellent results (bullets touching each other with a .303 British, 100yards with a 4x32 telescope).  I never thought of doing the test with a pistol as well (seeing as how you're holding it in your hands and it's not lying on a rest), but a guy that trained me a little in precision shooting showed this to me a few months ago.  He first used a spent casing to place on the slide, but that was just too easy to keep on there, so he switched to a coin.  Took me a few tries to get it right, but I managed it and encorporated it in my shooting.  Great results ever since!

Oh yes, and another cool (and fun) excerise we do is to shoot a hole any place in a cardboard target, and then sticking the spent casing in the hole.  You then have to shoot the casing out of the hole.  With a good placed shot you'll make a starbust-shape pattern on the target from the lead bullet exploding on the casing.  Looks cool, fun to do and really helps you to steady the gun before a shot!  This is done at short range though, usually about 10yards or less.